netdev - Re: [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY with dev_is_dma

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Message-ID: <20220407153103.GA15336@lst.de>
Date:   Thu, 7 Apr 2022 17:31:03 +0200
From:   Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>
To:     Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>,
        "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
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        Cornelia Huck <cohuck@...hat.com>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@...ux.ibm.com>,
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        Will Deacon <will@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] iommu: Replace uses of IOMMU_CAP_CACHE_COHERENCY
 with dev_is_dma_coherent()

On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 04:17:11PM +0100, Robin Murphy wrote:
>> My take is that the drivers using this API are doing it to make sure
>> their HW blocks are setup in a way that is consistent with the DMA API
>> they are also using, and run in constrained embedded-style
>> environments that know the firmware support is present.
>>
>> So in the end it does not seem suitable right now for linking to
>> IOMMU_CACHE..
>
> That seems a pretty good summary - I think they're basically all "firmware 
> told Linux I'm coherent so I'd better act coherent" cases, but that still 
> doesn't necessarily mean that they're *forced* to respect that.

Yes. And the interface is horribly misnamed for that.  I'll see what
I can do to clean this up as I've noticed various other not very
nice things in that area.

> One of the 
> things on my to-do list is to try adding a DMA_ATTR_NO_SNOOP that can force 
> DMA cache maintenance for coherent devices, primarily to hook up in 
> Panfrost (where there is a bit of a performance to claw back on the 
> coherent AmLogic SoCs by leaving certain buffers non-cacheable).

This has been an explicit request from the amdgpu folks and thus been
on my TODO list for quite a while as well.  Note that I don't think it
should be a flag to dma_alloc_attrs, but rather for dma_alloc_pages
as the drivers that want non-snoop generally also want to actually
be able to deal with pages.