netdev - Re: [PATCH v2] Implement close-on-fork

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Message-ID: <20220628131304.gbiqqxamg6pmvsxf@wittgenstein>
Date:   Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:13:04 +0200
From:   Christian Brauner <brauner@...nel.org>
To:     Ralph Corderoy <ralph@...utplus.co.uk>
Cc:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>,
        Nate Karstens <nate.karstens@...min.com>,
        Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>,
        "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Richard Henderson <rth@...ddle.net>,
        Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@...assic.park.msu.ru>,
        Matt Turner <mattst88@...il.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>,
        Helge Deller <deller@....de>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>,
        linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-alpha@...r.kernel.org, linux-parisc@...r.kernel.org,
        sparclinux@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Changli Gao <xiaosuo@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Implement close-on-fork

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 11:42:28AM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi Matthew, thanks for replying.
> 
> > > The need for O_CLOFORK might be made more clear by looking at a
> > > long-standing Go issue, i.e. unrelated to system(3), which was started
> > > in 2017 by Russ Cox when he summed up the current race-condition
> > > behaviour of trying to execve(2) a newly created file:
> > > https://github.com/golang/go/issues/22315.
> >
> > The problem is that people advocating for O_CLOFORK understand its
> > value, but not its cost.  Other google employees have a system which
> > has literally millions of file descriptors in a single process.
> > Having to maintain this extra state per-fd is a cost they don't want
> > to pay (and have been quite vocal about earlier in this thread).
> 
> So do you agree the userspace issue is best solved by *_CLOFORK and the
> problem is how to implement *_CLOFORK at an acceptable cost?
> 
> OTOH David Laight was making suggestions on moving the load to the
> fork/exec path earlier in the thread, but OTOH Al Viro mentioned a
> ‘portable solution’, though that could have been to a specific issue
> rather than the more general case.
> 
> How would you recommend approaching an acceptable cost is progressed?
> Iterate on patch versions?  Open a bugzilla.kernel.org for central
> tracking and linking from the other projects?  ..?

Quoting from that go thread

"If the OS had a "close all fds above x", we could use that. (I don't know of any that do, but it sure would help.)"

So why can't this be solved with:
close_range(fd_first, fd_last, CLOSE_RANGE_CLOEXEC | CLOSE_RANGE_UNSHARE)?
e.g.
close_range(100, ~0U, CLOSE_RANGE_CLOEXEC | CLOSE_RANGE_UNSHARE)?

https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/close_range.2.html