netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v1 2/3] net: dsa: ar9331: add support for pause stats

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Message-ID: <20220627200959.683de11b@kernel.org>
Date:   Mon, 27 Jun 2022 20:09:59 -0700
From:   Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To:     Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
Cc:     Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@...gutronix.de>,
        Woojung Huh <woojung.huh@...rochip.com>,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@...il.com>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>, kernel@...gutronix.de,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Lukas Wunner <lukas@...ner.de>, UNGLinuxDriver@...rochip.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v1 2/3] net: dsa: ar9331: add support for pause
 stats

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:02:38 +0300 Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> > > Yes, it will be interesting to know how to proceed with it.  
> > 
> > I'm curious as well, AFAIK most drivers do not count pause to ifc stats.  
> 
> How do you know? Just because they manually bump stats->tx_bytes and
> stats->tx_packets during ndo_start_xmit?
> 
> That would be a good assumption, but what if a network driver populates
> struct rtnl_link_stats64 entirely based on counters reported by hardware,
> including {rx,tx}_{packets,bytes}?

Yeah, a lot of drivers use SW stats. What matters is where the packets
get counted, even if device does the counting it may be in/before or
after the MAC. Modern NICs generally don't use MAC-level stats for the
interface because of virtualization.

> Personally I can't really find a reason why not count pause frames if
> you can. And in the same note, why go to the extra lengths of hiding
> them as Oleksij does. For example, the ocelot/felix switches do count
> PAUSE frames as packets/bytes, both on rx and tx.

Yeah, the corrections are always iffy. I understand the doubts, and we
can probably leave things "under-specified" until someone with a strong
preference comes along. But I hope that the virt example makes it clear
that neither of the choices is better (SR-IOV NICs would have to start
adding the pause if we declare rtnl stats as inclusive).

I can see advantages to both counting (they are packets) and not
counting those frames (Linux doesn't see them, they get "invented" 
by HW).

Stats are hard.