Date:   Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:12:30 -0700
From:   John Stultz <jstultz@...gle.com>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove CONFIG_ANDROID

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 3:06 AM Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@...c4.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 09:25:32PM -0700, Kalesh Singh wrote:
> > Two concerns John raised:
> >   1) Adding new ABI we need to maintain
> >   2) Having unclear config options
> >
> > Another idea, I think, is to add the Kconfig option as
> > CONFIG_SUSPEND_SKIP_RNG_RESEED? Similar to existing
> > CONFIG_SUSPEND_SKIP_SYNC and I think it would address those concerns.
>
> I mentioned in my reply to him that this doesn't really work for me:
>
> | As a general rule, I don't expose knobs like that in wireguard /itself/,
> | but wireguard has no problem with adapting to whatever machine properties
> | it finds itself on. And besides, this *is* a very definite device
> | property, something really particular and peculiar about the machine
> | the kernel is running on. It's a concrete thing that the kernel should
> | know about. So let's go with your "very clear description idea", above,
> | instead.
>
> IOW, we're not going to add a tunable on every possible place this is
> used.

Hrm. Can you explain a bit more on why you're particularly adamant
against scoping the config to describe the behavior we want from the
kernel rather than describing a "machine property"?  As personally, I
greatly prefer Kalesh's suggestion (as it avoids the same critique one
could make of the CONFIG_ANDROID "flag"), but admittedly this is
bikeshed territory.

Does this preference come out of the too-many-options-in-gpg
antipattern? Or is there something else?


> Anyway if you don't want a runtime switch, make a compiletime switch
> called CONFIG_PM_CONTINUOUS_RAPID_AUTOSLEEPING or whatever, write some
> very discouraging help text, and call it a day. And this way you don't
> have to worry about ABI and we can change this later on and do the whole
> thing as a no-big-deal change that somebody can tweak later without
> issue.

Yeah, this is ok with me, as I don't see much benefit to creating a
userland ABI, as I don't think at this point we expect the behavior to
shift or oscillate at runtime.

thanks
-john

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