Message-ID: <b84863e7-5acc-697c-0e08-af88b691e678@openvpn.net>
Date:   Mon, 11 Jul 2022 14:38:39 -0600
From:   James Yonan <james@...nvpn.net>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
Cc:     netdev@...r.kernel.org, therbert@...gle.com,
        stephen@...workplumber.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2] rfs: added /proc/sys/net/core/rps_allow_ooo
 flag to tweak flow alg

On 6/28/22 17:49, James Yonan wrote:
> On 6/28/22 11:03, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:17:54 -0600 James Yonan wrote:
>>> rps_allow_ooo (0|1, default=0) -- if set to 1, allow RFS (receive flow
>>> steering) to move a flow to a new CPU even if the old CPU queue has
>>> pending packets.  Note that this can result in packets being delivered
>>> out-of-order.  If set to 0 (the default), the previous behavior is
>>> retained, where flows will not be moved as long as pending packets 
>>> remain.
>>>
>>> The motivation for this patch is that while it's good to prevent
>>> out-of-order packets, the current RFS logic requires that all previous
>>> packets for the flow have been dequeued before an RFS CPU switch is 
>>> made,
>>> so as to preserve in-order delivery.  In some cases, on links with 
>>> heavy
>>> VPN traffic, we have observed that this requirement is too onerous, and
>>> that it prevents an RFS CPU switch from occurring within a 
>>> reasonable time
>>> frame if heavy traffic causes the old CPU queue to never fully drain.
>>>
>>> So rps_allow_ooo allows the user to select the tradeoff between a more
>>> aggressive RFS steering policy that may reorder packets on a CPU switch
>>> event (rps_allow_ooo=1) vs. one that prioritizes in-order delivery
>>> (rps_allow_ooo=0).
>> Can you give a practical example where someone would enable this?
>> What is the traffic being served here that does not care about getting
>> severely chopped up? Also why are you using RPS, it's 2022, don't all
>> devices of note have multi-queue support?
>
> So the problem with VPN transport is that you have encryption overhead 
> that can be CPU intensive.  Suppose I can get 10 Gbps throughput per 
> core.  Now suppose I have 4 different 10 Gbps sessions on my 4 core 
> machine.  In a perfect world, each of those sessions would migrate to 
> a different core and you would achieve the full parallelism of your 
> hardware.  RFS helps to make this work, but the existing RFS algorithm 
> sometimes gets stuck with multiple sessions on one core, while other 
> cores are idle.  I found that this often occurs because RFS puts a 
> high priority on maintaining in-order delivery, so once the queues are 
> operating at full speed, it's very difficult to find an opportunity to 
> switch CPUs without some packet reordering.  But the cost of being 
> strict about packet reordering is that you end up with multiple 
> sessions stuck on the same core, alongside idle cores.  This is solved 
> by setting rps_allow_ooo to 1.  You might get a few reordered packets 
> on the CPU switch event, but once the queues stabilize, you get 
> significantly higher throughput because you can actively load balance 
> the sessions across CPUs.
>
> Re: why are we still using RPS/RFS in 2022?  It's very useful for load 
> balancing L4 sessions across multiple CPUs (not only across multiple 
> net device queues).

Any further questions/comments about this patch?  The v2 patch 
incorporates all feedback received so far, including refactoring a large 
conditional in the original code to make it more readable and maintainable.

James

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