netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH 2/5] can: slcan: remove legacy infrastructure

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Message-ID: <87cze0swkm.fsf@hardanger.blackshift.org>
Date:   Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:59:27 +0200
From:   Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@...gutronix.de>
To:     Max Staudt <max@...as.org>
Cc:     Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@...tkopp.net>,
        Dario Binacchi <dario.binacchi@...rulasolutions.com>,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Jeroen Hofstee <jhofstee@...tronenergy.com>,
        michael@...rulasolutions.com,
        Amarula patchwork <linux-amarula@...rulasolutions.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@...nel.org>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Vincent Mailhol <mailhol.vincent@...adoo.fr>,
        Wolfgang Grandegger <wg@...ndegger.com>,
        linux-can@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/5] can: slcan: remove legacy infrastructure

On 19.07.2022 03:03:26, Max Staudt wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 12:23:05 +0200
> Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@...tkopp.net> wrote:
> 
> > IMO it does not break user space when slcan gets the common naming 
> > schema for CAN interface names.
> 
> For what it's worth, slcan provides a specific ioctl to resolve from
> (tty fd) to (netdev name). As far as I can see, any sane program should
> use this API to find whatever device it has created, irrespective of
> the netdev name.
> 
> 
> @ Marc: slcand and slcan_attach in can-utils do not depend on the
> slcanX name, as far as I can see. They are the main interfaces to
> slcan, and apart from that I can only think of scripts doing netlink
> stuff and scanning for slcanX. Does this change your opinion, or is
> breaking such scripts already a step too far?
> 
> I'm thinking that in other circumstances, I've had cases where devices
> were numbered differently just because they enumerated faster or slower
> at different boots, or with other kernel versions, or because of media
> inserted, etc. - though renumbering is of course one step less than
> changing the prefix.

Convinced! Please change the patch to use standard canX interface
naming. Can you add a pointer to the ioctl() to get the network
interface name to the tty fd in the patch description.

> > We had the same thing with 'eth0' which is now named enblablabla or 
> > 'wlan0' now named wlp2s0.
> 
> Actually, the kernel still calls them ethX and wlanX. It's systemd+udev
> that renames them to the "unique" names afterwards. It's an extra step
> that happens in userspace.
> 
> udev is immensely useful, but also great stuff for race conditions :)

Marc

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