netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v4] net: virtio_net: notifications coalescing support

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Message-ID: <CACGkMEttcb+qitwP1v3vg=UGJ9s_XxbNxQv=onyWqAmKLYrHHA@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 20 Jul 2022 15:45:59 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Alvaro Karsz <alvaro.karsz@...id-run.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v4] net: virtio_net: notifications coalescing support

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 3:42 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 3:15 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:07:11AM +0300, Alvaro Karsz wrote:
> > > > Hmm. we currently (ab)use tx_max_coalesced_frames values 0 and 1 to mean tx
> > > napi on/off.
> > > > However I am not sure we should treat any value != 1 as napi on.
> > > >
> > > > I don't really have good ideas - I think abusing coalescing might
> > > > have been a mistake. But now that we are there, I feel we need
> > > > a way for userspace to at least be able to figure out whether
> > > > setting coalescing to 0 will have nasty side effects.
> > >
> > >
> > > So, how can I proceed from here?
> > > Maybe we don't need to use tx napi when this feature is negotiated (like Jakub
> > > suggested in prev. versions)?
> > > It makes sense, since the number of TX notifications can be reduced by setting
> > > tx_usecs/tx_max_packets with ethtool.
> >
> >
> > Hmm Jason had some ideas about extensions in mind when he
> > coded the current UAPI, let's see if he has ideas.
> > I'll ruminate on compatibility a bit too.
>
> I might be wrong, but using 1 to enable tx napi is a way to try to be
> compatible with the interrupt coalescing.
>
> That is, without notification coalescing, if 1 is set, we enable tx
> notifications (and NAPI) for each packet. This works as if
> tx-max-coalesced-frames is set to 1 when notification coalescing is
> negotiated.
>
> Thanks
>
> >
> > > > It's also a bit of a spec defect that it does not document corner cases
> > > > like what do 0 values do, are they different from 1? or what are max values.
> > > > Not too late to fix?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that some of the corner cases can be understood from the coalescing
> > > values.
> > > For example:
> > > if rx_usecs=0 we should wait for 0 usecs, meaning that we should send a
> > > notification immediately.
> > > But if rx_usecs=1 we should wait for 1 usec.
> > > The case with max_packets is a little bit unclear for the values 0/1, and it
> > > seems that in both cases we should send a notification immediately after
> > > receiving/sending a packet.

Then we probably need to document this in the spec.

And we need an upper limit for those values, this helps for e.g
migration compatibility.

Thanks

> > >
> > >
> > > > So the spec says
> > > >         Device supports notifications coalescing.
> > > >
> > > > which makes more sense - there's not a lot guest needs to do here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Noted.
> > >
> > > > parameters?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll change it to "settings".
> > >
> > > > why with dash here? And why not just put the comments near the fields
> > > > themselves?
> > >
> > >
> > > Noted.
> >