netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH v3 8/9] can: slcan: add support to set bit time register (btr)

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Date:   Fri, 29 Jul 2022 09:33:52 +0200
From:   Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@...gutronix.de>
To:     Dario Binacchi <dario.binacchi@...rulasolutions.com>
Cc:     Max Staudt <max@...as.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-can@...r.kernel.org,
        Oliver Hartkopp <socketcan@...tkopp.net>,
        michael@...rulasolutions.com,
        Amarula patchwork <linux-amarula@...rulasolutions.com>,
        Jeroen Hofstee <jhofstee@...tronenergy.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Wolfgang Grandegger <wg@...ndegger.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 8/9] can: slcan: add support to set bit time
 register (btr)

On 29.07.2022 08:52:07, Dario Binacchi wrote:
> Hello Marc and Max,
> 
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:57 PM Max Staudt <max@...as.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:50:49 +0200
> > Marc Kleine-Budde <mkl@...gutronix.de> wrote:
> >
> > > On 28.07.2022 12:23:04, Dario Binacchi wrote:
> > > > > > Does it make sense to use the device tree
> > > > >
> > > > > The driver doesn't support DT and DT only works for static serial
> > > > > interfaces.
> > >
> > > Have you seen my remarks about Device Tree?
> >
> > Dario, there seems to be a misunderstanding about the Device Tree.
> >
> > It is used *only* for hardware that is permanently attached, present at
> > boot, and forever after. Not for dyamically added stuff, and definitely
> > not for ldiscs that have to be attached manually by the user.
> >
> >
> > The only exception to this is if you have an embedded device with an
> > slcan adapter permanently attached to one of its UARTs. Then you can
> > use the serdev ldisc adapter to attach the ldisc automatically at boot.
> 
> It is evident that I am lacking some skills (I will try to fix it :)).

We're all here to learn something!

> I think it is equally clear that it is not worth going down this path.

If you have a static attached serial devices serdev is the way to go.
But slcan has so many drawbacks compared to "real" CAN adapters that I
hope the no one uses them in such a scenario.

> > If you are actively developing for such a use case, please let us know,
> > so we know what you're after and can help you better :)
> 
> I don't have a use case, other than to try, if possible, to make the driver
> autonomous from slcand / slcan_attach for the CAN bus setup.

From my point of view your job is done!

> Returning to Marc's previous analysis:
> "... Some USB CAN drivers query the bit timing const from the USB device."
> 
> Can we think of taking the gs_usb driver as inspiration for getting/setting the
> bit timings?
> 
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/net/can/usb/gs_usb.c#L951
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/net/can/usb/gs_usb.c#L510
> 
> and, as done with patches:
> 
> can: slcan: extend the protocol with CAN state info
> can: slcan: extend the protocol with error info

You can define a way to query bit timing constants and CAN clock rate,
but you have to get this into the "official" firmware. You have to roll
out a firmware update to all devices. What about non official firmware?

> further extend the protocol to get/set the bit timing from / to the adapter ?
> In the case of non-standard bit rates, the driver would try, depending on the
> firmware of the adapter, to calculate and set the bit timings autonomously.

If an adapter follows 100% the official firmware doc the BTR registers
are interpreted as SJA1000 with 8 MHz CAN clock.

See

| https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220728105049.43gbjuctezxzmm4j@pengutronix.de

where I compare the 125 Kbit/s BTR config of the documentation with the
bit timing calculated by the kernel algorithm.

regards,
Marc

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