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Date:   Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:35:53 -0700
From:   Tim Harvey <tharvey@...eworks.com>
To:     Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@...o.com>
Cc:     Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@...e.de>,
        Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, u-boot <u-boot@...ts.denx.de>,
        Device Tree Mailing List <devicetree@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ethernet<n> dt aliases implications in U-Boot and Linux

On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 1:48 PM Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@...o.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 8/8/22 5:45 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 08, 2022 at 02:38:35PM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> >> On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:09:45 +0200
> >> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@...e.de> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, Aug 08, 2022 at 03:57:55PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
> >> > > Hi Tim,
> >> > >
> >> > > On 8/8/22 3:18 PM, Tim Harvey wrote:
> >> > > > Greetings,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I'm trying to understand if there is any implication of 'ethernet<n>'
> >> > > > aliases in Linux such as:
> >> > > >         aliases {
> >> > > >                 ethernet0 = &eqos;
> >> > > >                 ethernet1 = &fec;
> >> > > >                 ethernet2 = &lan1;
> >> > > >                 ethernet3 = &lan2;
> >> > > >                 ethernet4 = &lan3;
> >> > > >                 ethernet5 = &lan4;
> >> > > >                 ethernet6 = &lan5;
> >> > > >         };
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I know U-Boot boards that use device-tree will use these aliases to
> >> > > > name the devices in U-Boot such that the device with alias 'ethernet0'
> >> > > > becomes eth0 and alias 'ethernet1' becomes eth1 but for Linux it
> >> > > > appears that the naming of network devices that are embedded (ie SoC)
> >> > > > vs enumerated (ie pci/usb) are always based on device registration
> >> > > > order which for static drivers depends on Makefile linking order and
> >> > > > has nothing to do with device-tree.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Is there currently any way to control network device naming in Linux
> >> > > > other than udev?
> >> > >
> >> > > You can also use systemd-networkd et al. (but that is the same kind of mechanism)
> >> > >
> >> > > > Does Linux use the ethernet<n> aliases for anything at all?
> >> > >
> >> > > No :l
> >> >
> >> > Maybe it's a great opportunity for porting biosdevname to DT based
> >> > platforms ;-)
> >>
> >> Sorry, biosdevname was wrong way to do things.
> >> Did you look at the internals, it was dumpster diving as root into BIOS.
> >
> > When it's BIOS what defines the names then you have to read them from
> > the BIOS. Recently it was updated to use some sysfs file or whatver.
> > It's not like you would use any of that code with DT, anyway.
> >
> >> Systemd-networkd does things in much more supportable manner using existing
> >> sysfs API's.
> >
> > Which is a dumpster of systemd code, no thanks.
> >
> > I want my device naming independent of the init system, especially if
> > it's systemd.
>
> Well, there's always nameif...
>
> That said, I have made [1] for people using systemd-networkd.
>
> --Sean
>
> [1] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/24265

Sean,

That looks very promising. Linux is definitely flipping eth0/eth1
between fec/eqos for me when booting an Ubuntu rootfs telling me that
the netdev registration between those two drivers is racy.

Can you give me an example udev rule that shows how to invoke the new
naming scheme your adding here?

Best Regards,

Tim

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