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Message-ID: <20220818235137-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:52:42 -0400
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@...cle.com>,
        "Zhu, Lingshan" <lingshan.zhu@...el.com>,
        virtualization <virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, kvm <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Parav Pandit <parav@...dia.com>,
        Yongji Xie <xieyongji@...edance.com>,
        "Dawar, Gautam" <gautam.dawar@....com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] vDPA: conditionally read fields in virtio-net dev

On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 08:42:32AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 7:20 AM Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@...cle.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/17/2022 9:15 PM, Jason Wang wrote:
> > >
> > > 在 2022/8/17 18:37, Michael S. Tsirkin 写道:
> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 05:43:22PM +0800, Zhu, Lingshan wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/17/2022 5:39 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 05:13:59PM +0800, Zhu, Lingshan wrote:
> > >>>>> On 8/17/2022 4:55 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 10:14:26AM +0800, Zhu, Lingshan wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Yes it is a little messy, and we can not check _F_VERSION_1
> > >>>>>>> because of
> > >>>>>>> transitional devices, so maybe this is the best we can do for now
> > >>>>>> I think vhost generally needs an API to declare config space
> > >>>>>> endian-ness
> > >>>>>> to kernel. vdpa can reuse that too then.
> > >>>>> Yes, I remember you have mentioned some IOCTL to set the endian-ness,
> > >>>>> for vDPA, I think only the vendor driver knows the endian,
> > >>>>> so we may need a new function vdpa_ops->get_endian().
> > >>>>> In the last thread, we say maybe it's better to add a comment for
> > >>>>> now.
> > >>>>> But if you think we should add a vdpa_ops->get_endian(), I can work
> > >>>>> on it for sure!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks
> > >>>>> Zhu Lingshan
> > >>>> I think QEMU has to set endian-ness. No one else knows.
> > >>> Yes, for SW based vhost it is true. But for HW vDPA, only
> > >>> the device & driver knows the endian, I think we can not
> > >>> "set" a hardware's endian.
> > >> QEMU knows the guest endian-ness and it knows that
> > >> device is accessed through the legacy interface.
> > >> It can accordingly send endian-ness to the kernel and
> > >> kernel can propagate it to the driver.
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if we can simply force LE and then Qemu can do the endian
> > > conversion?
> > convert from LE for config space fields only, or QEMU has to forcefully
> > mediate and covert endianness for all device memory access including
> > even the datapath (fields in descriptor and avail/used rings)?
> 
> Former. Actually, I want to force modern devices for vDPA when
> developing the vDPA framework. But then we see requirements for
> transitional or even legacy (e.g the Ali ENI parent). So it
> complicates things a lot.
> 
> I think several ideas has been proposed:
> 
> 1) Your proposal of having a vDPA specific way for
> modern/transitional/legacy awareness. This seems very clean since each
> transport should have the ability to do that but it still requires
> some kind of mediation for the case e.g running BE legacy guest on LE
> host.
> 
> 2) Michael suggests using VHOST_SET_VRING_ENDIAN where it means we
> need a new config ops for vDPA bus, but it doesn't solve the issue for
> config space (at least from its name). We probably need a new ioctl
> for both vring and config space.
> 
> or


Yea, like VHOST_SET_CONFIG_ENDIAN.



> 3) revisit the idea of forcing modern only device which may simplify
> things a lot

Problem is vhost needs VHOST_SET_CONFIG_ENDIAN too. it's not
a vdpa specific issue.

> which way should we go?
> 
> > I hope
> > it's not the latter, otherwise it loses the point to use vDPA for
> > datapath acceleration.
> >
> > Even if its the former, it's a little weird for vendor device to
> > implement a LE config space with BE ring layout, although still possible...
> 
> Right.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> >
> > -Siwei
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> So if you think we should add a vdpa_ops->get_endian(),
> > >>> I will drop these comments in the next version of
> > >>> series, and work on a new patch for get_endian().
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Zhu Lingshan
> > >> Guests don't get endian-ness from devices so this seems pointless.
> > >>
> > >
> >