netdev - Re: [RFC] Socket termination for policy enforcement and load-balancing

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Message-ID: <CAKH8qBvVhkrXdesEUmDAeLG+LUWO=-j-d40F_V4Laq7rB1ScZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 6 Sep 2022 09:28:13 -0700
From:   Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
To:     Aditi Ghag <aditivghag@...il.com>
Cc:     netdev@...r.kernel.org, bpf@...r.kernel.org,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Socket termination for policy enforcement and load-balancing

On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 10:41 AM Aditi Ghag <aditivghag@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 3:02 PM <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 08/31, Aditi Ghag wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > - The sock_destroy API added for similar Android use cases is
> > > effective in tearing down sockets. The API is behind the
> > > CONFIG_INET_DIAG_DESTROY config that's disabled by default, and
> > > currently exposed via SOCK_DIAG netlink infrastructure in userspace.
> > > The sock destroy handlers for TCP and UDP protocols send ECONNABORTED
> > > error code to sockets related to the abort state as mentioned in RFC
> > > 793.
> >
> > > - Add unreachable routes for deleted backends. I experimented with
> > > this approach with my colleague, Nikolay Aleksandrov. We found that
> > > TCP and connected UDP sockets in the established state simply ignore
> > > the ICMP error messages, and continue to send data in the presence of
> > > such routes. My read is that applications are ignoring the ICMP errors
> > > reported on sockets [2].
> >
> > [..]
> >
> > > - Use BPF (sockets) iterator to identify sockets connected to a
> > > deleted backend. The BPF (sockets) iterator is network namespace aware
> > > so we'll either need to enter every possible container network
> > > namespace to identify the affected connections, or adapt the iterator
> > > to be without netns checks [3]. This was discussed with my colleague
> > > Daniel Borkmann based on the feedback he shared from the LSFMMBPF
> > > conference discussions.
> >
> > Maybe something worth fixing as well even if you end up using netlink?
> > Having to manually go over all networking namespaces (if I want
> > to iterate over all sockets on the host) doesn't seem feasible?
>
> SOCK_DIAG netlink infrastructure also has similar netns checks. The
> iterator approach
> would allow us to invoke sock destroy handlers from BPF though.

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear enough.
I meant that having a mode to iterate over all sockets on the host
regardless of the namespace might be useful.
Martin suggests the same in [1], I'll follow that thread :-)

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/20220831230157.7lchomcdxmvq3qqw@kafai-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com