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Date:   Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:10:36 +0200
From:   Stefan Metzmacher <metze@...ba.org>
To:     Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>,
        io-uring <io-uring@...r.kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
Cc:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Dylan Yudaken <dylany@...com>
Subject: Re: IORING_SEND_NOTIF_USER_DATA (was Re: IORING_CQE_F_COPIED)

Am 21.10.22 um 13:20 schrieb Pavel Begunkov:
> On 10/21/22 10:45, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>> Am 21.10.22 um 11:27 schrieb Pavel Begunkov:
>>> On 10/21/22 09:32, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>>>> Hi Pavel,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Experimenting with this stuff lets me wish to have a way to
>>>>>>>> have a different 'user_data' field for the notif cqe,
>>>>>>>> maybe based on a IORING_RECVSEND_ flag, it may make my life
>>>>>>>> easier and would avoid some complexity in userspace...
>>>>>>>> As I need to handle retry on short writes even with MSG_WAITALL
>>>>>>>> as EINTR and other errors could cause them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any comment on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IORING_SEND_NOTIF_USER_DATA could let us use
>>>>>> notif->cqe.user_data = sqe->addr3;
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather not use the last available u64, tbh, that was the
>>>>> reason for not adding a second user_data in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can see io_send_zc_prep has this:
>>>>
>>>>          if (unlikely(READ_ONCE(sqe->__pad2[0]) || READ_ONCE(sqe->addr3)))
>>>>                  return -EINVAL;
>>>>
>>>> both are u64...
>>>
>>> Hah, true, completely forgot about that one
>>
>> So would a commit like below be fine for you?
>>
>> Do you have anything in mind for SEND[MSG]_ZC that could possibly use
>> another u64 in future?
> 
> It'll most likely be taken in the future, some features are planned
> some I can imagine.

Can give examples? As I can't imagine any possible feature.

> The question is how necessary this one is and/or
> how much simpler it would make it considering that CQEs are ordered
> and apps still need to check for F_MORE. It shouldn't even require
> refcounting. Can you elaborate on the simplifying userspace part?
> 
It's not critical, it would just make it easier to dispatch
a different callback functions for the two cases.

The current problem I'm facing is that I have a structure
holding the state of an response and that has a single embedded
completion structure:

(simplified) struct completion {
    uint32_t generation;
    void (*callback_fn)(void *callback_private, const struct io_uring_cqe *cqe);
    void *callback_private;
};

I use the memory address of the completion structure glued with the lower bits of the generation
as 'user_data'. Imagine that I got a short write from SENDMSG_ZC/WAITALL
because EINTR was generated, then I need to retry from userspace, which
I'd try immediately without waiting for the NOTIF cqe to arrive.

For each incoming cqe I get the completion address and the generation
out of user_data and then verify the generation against the one stored in
the completion in order to detect bugs, before passing over to callback_fn().

Because I still need to handle the NOTIF cqe from the first try
I can't change the generation for the next try.

I thought about using two completion structures, one for the main SENDMSG_ZC result
(which gets its generation incremented with each retry) and one for the NOTIF cqes
just keeping generation stable having a simple callback_fn just waiting for a
refcount to get 0.

Most likely I just need to sit down concentrated to get the
recounting and similar things sorted out.

If there are really useful things we will do with addr3 and __pad2[0],
I can try to cope with it... It would just be sad if they wouldn't be used anyway.

metze

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