netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices probed in the "usual" manner

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Date:   Thu, 10 Nov 2022 00:59:44 +0200
From:   Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
To:     Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@...o.com>
Cc:     Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@....com>,
        Madalin Bucur <madalin.bucur@....com>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@...tlin.com>,
        Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
        Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@....com>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        Frank Rowand <frowand.list@...il.com>,
        Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@...aro.org>,
        Li Yang <leoyang.li@....com>,
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        Shawn Guo <shawnguo@...nel.org>, UNGLinuxDriver@...rochip.com,
        Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@...il.com>,
        Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@....com>,
        devicetree@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices
 probed in the "usual" manner

On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 05:06:39PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
> For a long time, PCSs have been tightly coupled with their MACs. For
> this reason, the MAC creates the "phy" or mdio device, and then passes
> it to the PCS to initialize. This has a few disadvantages:
> 
> - Each MAC must re-implement the same steps to look up/create a PCS
> - The PCS cannot use functions tied to device lifetime, such as devm_*.
> - Generally, the PCS does not have easy access to its device tree node

Is there a clear need to solve these disadvantages? There comes extra
runtime complexity with the PCS-as-device scheme (plus the extra
complexity needed to address the DT backwards compatibility problems
it causes; not addressed here).