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Date:   Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:47:54 -0800
From:   John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:     Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
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        Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@...ux.dev>,
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Subject: Re: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next 05/11] veth: Support rx timestamp
 metadata for xdp

Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:55 PM John Fastabend
> <john.fastabend@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> > Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:59 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:53 PM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:17 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:19 PM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:47 PM John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:03 AM John Fastabend
> > > > > > > > > <john.fastabend@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@...ux.dev> writes:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/15/22 10:38 PM, John Fastabend wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +static void veth_unroll_kfunc(const struct bpf_prog *prog, u32 func_id,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +                           struct bpf_patch *patch)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +{
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +     if (func_id == xdp_metadata_kfunc_id(XDP_METADATA_KFUNC_RX_TIMESTAMP_SUPPORTED)) {
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +             /* return true; */
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +             bpf_patch_append(patch, BPF_MOV64_IMM(BPF_REG_0, 1));
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +     } else if (func_id == xdp_metadata_kfunc_id(XDP_METADATA_KFUNC_RX_TIMESTAMP)) {
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +             /* return ktime_get_mono_fast_ns(); */
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +             bpf_patch_append(patch, BPF_EMIT_CALL(ktime_get_mono_fast_ns));
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +     }
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +}
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> So these look reasonable enough, but would be good to see some examples
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> of kfunc implementations that don't just BPF_CALL to a kernel function
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (with those helper wrappers we were discussing before).
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Let's maybe add them if/when needed as we add more metadata support?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> xdp_metadata_export_to_skb has an example, and rfc 1/2 have more
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> examples, so it shouldn't be a problem to resurrect them back at some
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> point?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Well, the reason I asked for them is that I think having to maintain the
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> BPF code generation in the drivers is probably the biggest drawback of
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> the kfunc approach, so it would be good to be relatively sure that we
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> can manage that complexity (via helpers) before we commit to this :)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Right, and I've added a bunch of examples in v2 rfc so we can judge
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> whether that complexity is manageable or not :-)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Do you want me to add those wrappers you've back without any real users?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Because I had to remove my veth tstamp accessors due to John/Jesper
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> objections; I can maybe bring some of this back gated by some
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> static_branch to avoid the fastpath cost?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I missed the context a bit what did you mean "would be good to see some
> > > > > > > > > > > >> examples of kfunc implementations that don't just BPF_CALL to a kernel
> > > > > > > > > > > >> function"? In this case do you mean BPF code directly without the call?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Early on I thought we should just expose the rx_descriptor which would
> > > > > > > > > > > >> be roughly the same right? (difference being code embedded in driver vs
> > > > > > > > > > > >> a lib) Trouble I ran into is driver code using seqlock_t and mutexs
> > > > > > > > > > > >> which wasn't as straight forward as the simpler just read it from
> > > > > > > > > > > >> the descriptor. For example in mlx getting the ts would be easy from
> > > > > > > > > > > >> BPF with the mlx4_cqe struct exposed
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> u64 mlx4_en_get_cqe_ts(struct mlx4_cqe *cqe)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> {
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          u64 hi, lo;
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          struct mlx4_ts_cqe *ts_cqe = (struct mlx4_ts_cqe *)cqe;
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          lo = (u64)be16_to_cpu(ts_cqe->timestamp_lo);
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          hi = ((u64)be32_to_cpu(ts_cqe->timestamp_hi) + !lo) << 16;
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          return hi | lo;
> > > > > > > > > > > >> }
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> but converting that to nsec is a bit annoying,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> void mlx4_en_fill_hwtstamps(struct mlx4_en_dev *mdev,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>                              struct skb_shared_hwtstamps *hwts,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>                              u64 timestamp)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> {
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          unsigned int seq;
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          u64 nsec;
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          do {
> > > > > > > > > > > >>                  seq = read_seqbegin(&mdev->clock_lock);
> > > > > > > > > > > >>                  nsec = timecounter_cyc2time(&mdev->clock, timestamp);
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          } while (read_seqretry(&mdev->clock_lock, seq));
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          memset(hwts, 0, sizeof(struct skb_shared_hwtstamps));
> > > > > > > > > > > >>          hwts->hwtstamp = ns_to_ktime(nsec);
> > > > > > > > > > > >> }
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> I think the nsec is what you really want.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> With all the drivers doing slightly different ops we would have
> > > > > > > > > > > >> to create read_seqbegin, read_seqretry, mutex_lock, ... to get
> > > > > > > > > > > >> at least the mlx and ice drivers it looks like we would need some
> > > > > > > > > > > >> more BPF primitives/helpers. Looks like some more work is needed
> > > > > > > > > > > >> on ice driver though to get rx tstamps on all packets.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Anyways this convinced me real devices will probably use BPF_CALL
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and not BPF insns directly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the mlx5 path looks like this:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > #define REAL_TIME_TO_NS(hi, low) (((u64)hi) * NSEC_PER_SEC + ((u64)low))
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > static inline ktime_t mlx5_real_time_cyc2time(struct mlx5_clock *clock,
> > > > > > > > > > > >                                                u64 timestamp)
> > > > > > > > > > > > {
> > > > > > > > > > > >          u64 time = REAL_TIME_TO_NS(timestamp >> 32, timestamp & 0xFFFFFFFF);
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >          return ns_to_ktime(time);
> > > > > > > > > > > > }
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If some hints are harder to get, then just doing a kfunc call is better.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure, but if we end up having a full function call for every field in
> > > > > > > > > > > the metadata, that will end up having a significant performance impact
> > > > > > > > > > > on the XDP data path (thinking mostly about the skb metadata case here,
> > > > > > > > > > > which will collect several bits of metadata).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > csum may have a better chance to inline?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yup, I agree. Including that also makes it possible to benchmark this
> > > > > > > > > > > series against Jesper's; which I think we should definitely be doing
> > > > > > > > > > > before merging this.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good point I got sort of singularly focused on timestamp because I have
> > > > > > > > > > a use case for it now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also hash is often sitting in the rx descriptor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ack, let me try to add something else (that's more inline-able) on the
> > > > > > > > > rx side for a v2.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you go with in-kernel BPF kfunc approach (vs user space side) I think
> > > > > > > > you also need to add CO-RE to be friendly for driver developers? Otherwise
> > > > > > > > they have to keep that read in sync with the descriptors? Also need to
> > > > > > > > handle versioning of descriptors where depending on specific options
> > > > > > > > and firmware and chip being enabled the descriptor might be moving
> > > > > > > > around. Of course can push this all to developer, but seems not so
> > > > > > > > nice when we have the machinery to do this and we handle it for all
> > > > > > > > other structures.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With CO-RE you can simply do the rx_desc->hash and rx_desc->csum and
> > > > > > > > expect CO-RE sorts it out based on currently running btf_id of the
> > > > > > > > descriptor. If you go through normal path you get this for free of
> > > > > > > > course.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doesn't look like the descriptors are as nice as you're trying to
> > > > > > > paint them (with clear hash/csum fields) :-) So not sure how much
> > > > > > > CO-RE would help.
> > > > > > > At least looking at mlx4 rx_csum, the driver consults three different
> > > > > > > sets of flags to figure out the hash_type. Or am I just unlucky with
> > > > > > > mlx4?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which part are you talking about ?
> > > > > >         hw_checksum = csum_unfold((__force __sum16)cqe->checksum);
> > > > > > is trivial enough for bpf prog to do if it has access to 'cqe' pointer
> > > > > > which is what John is proposing (I think).
> >
> > Yeah this is what I've been considering. If you just get the 'cqe' pointer
> > walking the check_sum and rxhash should be straightforward.
> >
> > There seems to be a real difference between timestamps and most other
> > fields IMO. Timestamps require some extra logic to turn into ns when
> > using the NIC hw clock. And the hw clock requires some coordination to
> > keep in sync and stop from overflowing and may be done through other
> > protocols like PTP in my use case. In some cases I think the clock is
> > also shared amongst multiple phys. Seems mlx has a seqlock_t to protect
> > it and I'm less sure about this but seems intel nic maybe has a sideband
> > control channel.
> >
> > Then there is everything else that I can think up that is per packet data
> > and requires no coordination with the driver. Its just reading fields in
> > the completion queue. This would be the csum, check_sum, vlan_header and
> > so on. Sure we could kfunc each one of those things, but could also just
> > write that directly in BPF and remove some abstractions and kernel
> > dependency by doing it directly in the BPF program. If you like that
> > abstraction seems to be the point of contention my opinion is the cost
> > of kernel depency is high and I can abstract it with a user library
> > anyways so burying it in the kernel only causes me support issues and
> > backwards compat problems.
> >
> > Hopefully, my position is more clear.
> 
> Yeah, I see your point, I'm somewhat in the same position here wrt to
> legacy kernels :-)
> Exposing raw descriptors seems fine, but imo it shouldn't be the goto
> mechanism for the metadata; but rather as a fallback whenever the
> driver implementation is missing/buggy. Unless, as you mention below,
> there are some libraries in the future to abstract that.
> But at least it seems that we agree that there needs to be some other
> non-raw-descriptor way to access spinlocked things like the timestamp?
> 

Yeah for timestamps I think a kfunc to either get the timestamp or could
also be done with a kfunc to read hw clock. But either way seems hard
to do that in BPF code directly so kfunc feels right to me here.

By the way I think if you have the completion queue (rx descriptor) in
the xdp_buff and we use Yonghong's patch to cast the ctx as a BTF type
then we should be able to also directly read all the fields. I see
you noted this in the response to Alexei so lets see what he thinks.

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