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Date:   Fri, 09 Dec 2022 01:53:59 +0100
From:   Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@...ux.dev>,
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        Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...nel.org>,
        Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...dia.com>,
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        Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@...el.com>,
        Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@...el.com>,
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        Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@...hat.com>, xdp-hints@...-project.net,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 11/12] mlx5: Support RX XDP
 metadata

Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> writes:

> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:29 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:02 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 2:59 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Support RX hash and timestamp metadata kfuncs. We need to pass in the cqe
>> >> >> > pointer to the mlx5e_skb_from* functions so it can be retrieved from the
>> >> >> > XDP ctx to do this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I finally managed to get enough ducks in row to actually benchmark
>> >> >> this. With the caveat that I suddenly can't get the timestamp support to
>> >> >> work (it was working in an earlier version, but now
>> >> >> timestamp_supported() just returns false). I'm not sure if this is an
>> >> >> issue with the enablement patch, or if I just haven't gotten the
>> >> >> hardware configured properly. I'll investigate some more, but figured
>> >> >> I'd post these results now:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Baseline XDP_DROP:         25,678,262 pps / 38.94 ns/pkt
>> >> >> XDP_DROP + read metadata:  23,924,109 pps / 41.80 ns/pkt
>> >> >> Overhead:                   1,754,153 pps /  2.86 ns/pkt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As per the above, this is with calling three kfuncs/pkt
>> >> >> (metadata_supported(), rx_hash_supported() and rx_hash()). So that's
>> >> >> ~0.95 ns per function call, which is a bit less, but not far off from
>> >> >> the ~1.2 ns that I'm used to. The tests where I accidentally called the
>> >> >> default kfuncs cut off ~1.3 ns for one less kfunc call, so it's
>> >> >> definitely in that ballpark.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm not doing anything with the data, just reading it into an on-stack
>> >> >> buffer, so this is the smallest possible delta from just getting the
>> >> >> data out of the driver. I did confirm that the call instructions are
>> >> >> still in the BPF program bytecode when it's dumped back out from the
>> >> >> kernel.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Toke
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh, that's great, thanks for running the numbers! Will definitely
>> >> > reference them in v4!
>> >> > Presumably, we should be able to at least unroll most of the
>> >> > _supported callbacks if we want, they should be relatively easy; but
>> >> > the numbers look fine as is?
>> >>
>> >> Well, this is for one (and a half) piece of metadata. If we extrapolate
>> >> it adds up quickly. Say we add csum and vlan tags, say, and maybe
>> >> another callback to get the type of hash (l3/l4). Those would probably
>> >> be relevant for most packets in a fairly common setup. Extrapolating
>> >> from the ~1 ns/call figure, that's 8 ns/pkt, which is 20% of the
>> >> baseline of 39 ns.
>> >>
>> >> So in that sense I still think unrolling makes sense. At least for the
>> >> _supported() calls, as eating a whole function call just for that is
>> >> probably a bit much (which I think was also Jakub's point in a sibling
>> >> thread somewhere).
>> >
>> > imo the overhead is tiny enough that we can wait until
>> > generic 'kfunc inlining' infra is ready.
>> >
>> > We're planning to dual-compile some_kernel_file.c
>> > into native arch and into bpf arch.
>> > Then the verifier will automatically inline bpf asm
>> > of corresponding kfunc.
>>
>> Is that "planning" or "actively working on"? Just trying to get a sense
>> of the time frames here, as this sounds neat, but also something that
>> could potentially require quite a bit of fiddling with the build system
>> to get to work? :)
>
> "planning", but regardless how long it takes I'd rather not
> add any more tech debt in the form of manual bpf asm generation.
> We have too much of it already: gen_lookup, convert_ctx_access, etc.

Right, I'm no fan of the manual ASM stuff either. However, if we're
stuck with the function call overhead for the foreseeable future, maybe
we should think about other ways of cutting down the number of function
calls needed?

One thing I can think of is to get rid of the individual _supported()
kfuncs and instead have a single one that lets you query multiple
features at once, like:

__u64 features_supported, features_wanted = XDP_META_RX_HASH | XDP_META_TIMESTAMP;

features_supported = bpf_xdp_metadata_query_features(ctx, features_wanted);

if (features_supported & XDP_META_RX_HASH)
  hash = bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash(ctx);

...etc


-Toke

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