netdev - Re: PHY firmware update method

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Date:   Tue, 31 Jan 2023 16:29:04 +0000
From:   "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     Michael Walle <michael@...le.cc>
Cc:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Keller Jacob E <jacob.e.keller@...el.com>
Subject: Re: PHY firmware update method

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 05:10:08PM +0100, Michael Walle wrote:
> Am 2023-01-24 21:42, schrieb Andrew Lunn:
> > One device being slow to probe will slow down the probe of that
> > bus. But probe of other busses should be unaffected. I _guess_ it
> > might have a global affect on EPROBE_DEFER, the next cycle could be
> > delayed?  Probably a question for GregKH, or reading the code.
> > 
> > If it going to be really slow, then i would suggest making use of
> > devlink and it being a user initiated operation.
> 
> One concern which raised internally was that you'll always do
> the update (unconditionally) if there is a newer version. You seem
> to make life easier for the user, because the update just runs
> automatically. OTHO, what if a user doesn't want to update (for
> whatever reason) to the particular version in linux-firmware.git.
> I'm undecided on that.

On one hand, the user should always be asked whether they want to
upgrade the firmware on their systems, but there is the argument
about whether a user has sufficient information to make an informed
choice about it.

Then there's the problem that a newer firmware might introduce a
bug, but the user wants to use an older version (which is something
I do with some WiFi setups, and it becomes a pain when linux-firmware
is maintained by the distro, but you don't want to use that provided
version.

I really don't like the idea of the kernel automatically updating
non-volatile firmware - that sounds to me like a recipe for all
sorts of disasters.

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