netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next RFC 00/20] Introducing P4TC

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Date:   Tue, 31 Jan 2023 17:32:52 -0500
From:   Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
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        "Singhai, Anjali" <anjali.singhai@...el.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC 00/20] Introducing P4TC

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 2:10 PM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 05:30:10 -0500 Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:
> > > Note, there are two paths in P4TC:
> > > DDP loading via devlink is equivalent to loading the P4 binary for the hardware.
> > > That is one of the 3 (and currently most popular) driver interfaces
> > > suggested. Some of that drew
> >
> > Sorry didnt finish my thought here, wanted to say: The loading of the
> > P4 binary over devlink drew (to some people) suspicion it is going to
> > be used for loading kernel bypass.
>
> The only practical use case I heard was the IPU. Worrying about devlink
> programming being a bypass on an IPU is like rearranging chairs on the
> Titanic.

BTW, I do believe FNICs are heading in that direction as well. I didnt
quiet follow the titanic chairs analogy, can you elaborate on that
statement?

cheers,
jamal