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Date:   Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:43:51 +0200
From:   Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
To:     Oleksij Rempel <o.rempel@...gutronix.de>
Cc:     "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
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        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Woojung Huh <woojung.huh@...rochip.com>, kernel@...gutronix.de,
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        UNGLinuxDriver@...rochip.com,
        Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@...ckwall.org>,
        Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...dia.com>,
        Ido Schimmel <idosch@...dia.com>
Subject: Re: What is the best way to provide FDB related metrics to user
 space?

Hi Oleksij,

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 03:06:22PM +0100, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am currently working on implementing an interface to provide
> FDB-related metrics to user space, such as the size of the FDB, the
> count of objects, and so on. The IEEE 802.1Q-2018 standard offers some
> guidance on this topic. For instance, section "17.2.4 Structure of the
> IEEE8021-Q-BRIDGE-MIB" defines the ieee8021QBridgeFdbDynamicCount
> object, and section "12.7.1.1.3 Outputs" provides additional outputs
> that can be utilized for proper bridge management.
> 
> I've noticed that some DSA drivers implement devlink raw access to the
> FDB. I am wondering if it would be acceptable to provide a generic
> interface for all DSA switches for these kinds of metrics. What would be
> the best interface to use for this purpose - devlink, sysfs, or
> something else?

It's not an easy question. It probably depends on what exactly you need
it for.

At a first glance, I'd say that the bridge's netlink interface should
probably report these, based on information collected and aggregated
from its bridge ports. But it becomes quite complicated to aggregate
info from switchdev and non-switchdev (Wi-Fi, plain Ethernet) ports into
a single meaningful number. Also, the software bridge does not have a
hard limit per se when it comes to the number of FDB entries (although
maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea).

ieee8021QBridgeFdbDynamicCount seems defined as "The current number of
dynamic entries in this Filtering Database." So we're already outside
the territory of statically defined "maximums" and we're now talking
about the degree of occupancy of certain tables. That will be a lot
harder for the software bridge to aggregate coherently, and it can't
just count its own dynamic FDB entries. Things like dynamic address
learning of FDB entries learned on foreign interfaces would make that
utilization figure quite imprecise. Also, some DSA switches have a
VLAN-unaware FDB, and if the bridge is VLAN-aware, it will have one FDB
entry per each VLAN, whereas the hardware table will have a single FDB
entry. Also, DSA in general does not attempt to sync the software FDB
with the hardware FDB.

So, while we could in theory make the bridge forward this information
from drivers to user space in a unified form, it seems that the device
specific information is hard to convert in a lossless form to generic
information.

Which is exactly the reason why we have what we have now, I guess.

What do you mean by "devlink raw access"? In Documentation/networking/dsa/dsa.rst
we say:

| - Resources: a monitoring feature which enables users to see the degree of
|   utilization of certain hardware tables in the device, such as FDB, VLAN, etc.

If you search for dsa_devlink_resource_register(), you'll see the
current state of things. What is reported there as device-specific
resources seems to be the kind of thing you would be interested in.

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