Date:   Fri, 24 Mar 2023 12:40:32 -0700
From:   Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
To:     Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@...hat.com>
Cc:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        brouer@...hat.com, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@...nel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
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        Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@...el.com>,
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        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next V2 3/6] selftests/bpf: xdp_hw_metadata RX hash
 return code info

On 03/24, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:


> On 23/03/2023 18.47, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 10:35 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:51 AM Jesper Dangaard Brouer
> > > <jbrouer@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 22/03/2023 20.33, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:30 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:23 PM Stanislav Fomichev  
> <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:17 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:00 PM Stanislav Fomichev  
> <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 9:07 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 9:05 AM Jesper Dangaard Brouer
> > > > > > > > > > <jbrouer@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 21/03/2023 19.47, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 6:47 AM Jesper Dangaard  
> Brouer
> > > > > > > > > > > > <brouer@...hat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > When driver developers add XDP-hints kfuncs for  
> RX hash it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > practical to print the return code in bpf_printk  
> trace pipe log.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Print hash value as a hex value, both AF_XDP  
> userspace and bpf_prog,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as this makes it easier to spot poor quality  
> hashes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jesper Dangaard Brouer  
> <brouer@...hat.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > >  
> >     .../testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c  |    9 ++++++---
> > > > > > > > > > > > >      
> tools/testing/selftests/bpf/xdp_hw_metadata.c      |    5 ++++-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >     2 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 4  
> deletions(-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git  
> a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c  
> b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > index 40c17adbf483..ce07010e4d48 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---  
> a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +++  
> b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -77,10 +77,13 @@ int rx(struct xdp_md *ctx)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                    meta->rx_timestamp = 0; /*  
> Used by AF_XDP as not avail signal */
> > > > > > > > > > > > >            }
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -       if (!bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash(ctx,  
> &meta->rx_hash))
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -               bpf_printk("populated rx_hash  
> with %u", meta->rx_hash);
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -       else
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +       ret = bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash(ctx,  
> &meta->rx_hash);
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +       if (ret >= 0) {
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +               bpf_printk("populated rx_hash  
> with 0x%08X", meta->rx_hash);
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +       } else {
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +               bpf_printk("rx_hash not-avail  
> errno:%d", ret);
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                    meta->rx_hash = 0; /* Used by  
> AF_XDP as not avail signal */
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +       }
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >            return bpf_redirect_map(&xsk,  
> ctx->rx_queue_index, XDP_PASS);
> > > > > > > > > > > > >     }
> > > > > > > > > > > > > diff --git  
> a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/xdp_hw_metadata.c  
> b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > index 400bfe19abfe..f3ec07ccdc95 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---  
> a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > +++  
> b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @@ -3,6 +3,9 @@
> > > > > > > > > > > > >     /* Reference program for verifying XDP  
> metadata on real HW. Functional test
> > > > > > > > > > > > >      * only, doesn't test the performance.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >      *
> > > > > > > > > > > > > + * BPF-prog bpf_printk info outout can be access  
> via
> > > > > > > > > > > > > + * /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > s/outout/output/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Fixed in V3
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But let's maybe drop it? If you want to make it  
> more usable, let's
> > > > > > > > > > > > have a separate patch to enable tracing and  
> periodically dump it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the console instead (as previously discussed).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cat'ing /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe work for  
> me regardless of
> > > > > > > > > > > setting in
> > > > > > > > > > >  
> /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/bpf_trace/bpf_trace_printk/enable
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We likely need a followup patch that adds a BPF  
> config switch that can
> > > > > > > > > > > disable bpf_printk calls, because this adds overhead  
> and thus affects
> > > > > > > > > > > the timestamps.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No. This is by design.
> > > > > > > > > > Do not use bpf_printk* in production.
> > > >
> > > > I fully agree do not use bpf_printk in *production*.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But that's not for the production? xdp_hw_metadata is a  
> small tool to
> > > > > > > > > verify that the metadata being dumped is correct (during  
> the
> > > > > > > > > development).
> > > > > > > > > We have a proper (less verbose) selftest in
> > > > > > > > > {progs,prog_tests}/xdp_metadata.c (over veth).
> > > > > > > > > This xdp_hw_metadata was supposed to be used for running  
> it against
> > > > > > > > > the real hardware, so having as much debugging at hand as  
> possible
> > > > > > > > > seems helpful? (at least it was helpful to me when  
> playing with mlx4)
> > > >
> > > > My experience when developing these kfuncs for igc (real hardware),  
> this
> > > > "tool" xdp_hw_metadata was super helpful, because it was very  
> verbose
> > > > (and I was juggling reading chip registers BE/LE and see patch1 a  
> buggy
> > > > implementation for RX-hash).
> > > >
> > > > As I wrote in cover-letter, I recommend other driver developers to  
> do
> > > > the same, because it really help speed up the development. In theory
> > > > xdp_hw_metadata doesn't belong in selftests directory and IMHO it  
> should
> > > > have been placed in samples/bpf/, but given the relationship with  
> real
> > > > selftest {progs,prog_tests}/xdp_metadata.c I think it makes sense to
> > > > keep here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The only use of bpf_printk is for debugging of bpf progs  
> themselves.
> > > > > > > > It should not be used in any tool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hmm, good point. I guess it also means we won't have to mess  
> with
> > > > > > > enabling/dumping ftrace (and don't need this comment about  
> cat'ing the
> > > > > > > file).
> > > > > > > Jesper, maybe we can instead pass the status of those
> > > > > > > bpf_xdp_metadata_xxx kfuncs via 'struct xdp_meta'? And dump  
> this info
> > > > > > > from the userspace if needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are so many other ways for bpf prog to communicate with  
> user space.
> > > > > > Use ringbuf, perf_event buffer, global vars, maps, etc.
> > > > > > trace_pipe is debug only because it's global and will conflict  
> with
> > > > > > all other debug sessions.
> > > >
> > > > I want to highlight above paragraph: It is very true for production
> > > > code. (Anyone Googling this pay attention to above paragraph).
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 👍 makes sense, ty! hopefully we won't have to add a separate  
> channel
> > > > > for those and can (ab)use the metadata area.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Proposed solution: How about default disabling the bpf_printk's via  
> a
> > > > macro define, and then driver developer can manually reenable them
> > > > easily via a single define, to enable a debugging mode.
> > > >
> > > > I was only watching /sys/kernel/debug/tracing/trace_pipe when I was
> > > > debugging a driver issue.  Thus, an extra step of modifying a single
> > > > define in BPF seems easier, than instrumenting my driver with  
> printk.
> > >
> > > It's certainly fine to have commented out bpf_printk in selftests
> > > and sample code.
> > > But the patch does:
> > > +       if (ret >= 0) {
> > > +               bpf_printk("populated rx_hash with 0x%08X",  
> meta->rx_hash);
> > > +       } else {
> > > +               bpf_printk("rx_hash not-avail errno:%d", ret);
> > >                  meta->rx_hash = 0; /* Used by AF_XDP as not avail  
> signal */
> > > +       }
> > >
> > > It feels that printk is the only thing that provides the signal to  
> the user.
> > > Doing s/ret >= 0/true/ won't make any difference to selftest and
> > > to the consumer and that's my main concern with such selftest/samples.
> >
> > I agree, having this signal delivered to the user (without the ifdefs)
> > seems like a better way to go.

> I agree that we have a signal that we are not delivering to the user.

> Just so we are on the same page, let me explain how above code is
> problematic. As the rx_hash value zero have two meanings:

>   (1) Negative 'ret' set rx_hash=0 as err signal to AF_XDP "user"
>   (2) Hardware set rx_hash=0, when hash-type == IGC_RSS_TYPE_NO_HASH

> Case (2) happens for all L2 packets e.g. ARP packets.  See in patch-1
> where I map IGC_RSS_TYPE_NO_HASH to netstack type PKT_HASH_TYPE_L2.
> I did consider return errno/negative number for IGC_RSS_TYPE_NO_HASH,
> but I wanted to keep kfunc code as simple as possible (both for speed
> and if we need to unroll as byte-code later). As i225 hardware still
> writes zero into hash word I choose to keep code simple.


> IMHO this symptom is related to an API problem of the kfunc, that
> doesn't provide the hash-type.

> > Seems trivial to do something like the following below? (untested,
> > doesn't compile, gmail-copy-pasted so don't try to apply it)
> >

> If the kfunc provided the hash-type, which will be a positive number.
> Then I would add a signed integer to meta, which can store the hash-type
> or the negative errno number.

What's wrong with storing the return value from the kfuncs as is?
We are not writing super optimized production code here, so should be
fine?

> > diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > index 4c55b4d79d3d..061c410f68ea 100644
> > --- a/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/bpf/progs/xdp_hw_metadata.c
> > @@ -12,6 +12,9 @@ struct {
> >    __type(value, __u32);
> >   } xsk SEC(".maps");
> >
> > +int received;
> > +int dropped;
> > +
> >   extern int bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_timestamp(const struct xdp_md *ctx,
> >    __u64 *timestamp) __ksym;
> >   extern int bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash(const struct xdp_md *ctx,
> > @@ -52,11 +55,11 @@ int rx(struct xdp_md *ctx)
> >    if (udp->dest != bpf_htons(9091))
> >    return XDP_PASS;

> It we wanted to make this program user "friendly", we should also count
> packets that doesn't get redirected to AF_XDP "user" and instead skipped.

Sure, let's do that?

> > - bpf_printk("forwarding UDP:9091 to AF_XDP");
> > + __sync_fetch_and_add(&received, 1);
> >
> >    ret = bpf_xdp_adjust_meta(ctx, -(int)sizeof(struct xdp_meta));
> >    if (ret != 0) {
> > - bpf_printk("bpf_xdp_adjust_meta returned %d", ret);
> > + __sync_fetch_and_add(&dropped, 1);
> >    return XDP_PASS;

> Is it a "dropped" or a "skipped" packet (return XDP_PASS)?

Up to you. I was mostly throwing an idea on how to drop these bpf_printk
completely and report those events from the userspace.

> >    }
> [...]

> --Jesper

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