netdev - Re: [PATCH net 4/7] net: dsa: mt7530: set both CPU port interfaces to PHY_INTERFACE_MODE

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Message-ID: <1aadcc20-4ee7-af56-36db-1d036c7747c5@arinc9.com>
Date:   Wed, 29 Mar 2023 00:26:46 +0300
From:   Arınç ÜNAL <arinc.unal@...nc9.com>
To:     Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
Cc:     Sean Wang <sean.wang@...iatek.com>,
        Landen Chao <Landen.Chao@...iatek.com>,
        DENG Qingfang <dqfext@...il.com>, Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
        Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@...il.com>,
        AngeloGioacchino Del Regno 
        <angelogioacchino.delregno@...labora.com>,
        Russell King <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
        René van Dorst <opensource@...rst.com>,
        Russell King <rmk+kernel@...linux.org.uk>,
        Ilya Lipnitskiy <ilya.lipnitskiy@...il.com>,
        Richard van Schagen <richard@...terhints.com>,
        Richard van Schagen <vschagen@...com>,
        Frank Wunderlich <frank-w@...lic-files.de>,
        erkin.bozoglu@...ont.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
        linux-mediatek@...ts.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 4/7] net: dsa: mt7530: set both CPU port interfaces to
 PHY_INTERFACE_MODE_NA

On 28/03/2023 14:20, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 12:57:57AM +0300, Arınç ÜNAL wrote:
>> I don't appreciate your consistent use of the word "abuse" on my patches.
> 
> Consistent would mean that, when given the same kind of input, I respond
> with the same kind of output. I'm thinking you'd want a reviewer to do that?

Of course.

> 
> Last time I said: "It's best not to abuse the net.git tree with non-bugfix patches."
> https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/netdevbpf/patch/20230307220328.11186-1-arinc.unal@arinc9.com/
> 
> If anything, Jakub was/is slightly inconsistent by accepting those previous
> non-bugfix patches to the net.git tree, and then agreeing with me. He probably
> did that thinking it wasn't a hill worth dying on, which I can agree with.
> But I'm afraid that this didn't help you realize that yes, maybe you really
> are abusing the process by submitting exclusively non-bugfix commits to the
> net tree. There's a fine balance between trying to be nice and trying not to
> transmit the wrong message.
> 
> It would be good if you could clarify your objection regarding my consistent
> use of the word "abuse" on your patches.
> 
> There is a document at Documentation/process/stable-kernel-rules.rst
> which I remember having shared with you before, where there are some
> indications as to what constitutes a legitimate candidate for "stable"
> and what does not.

I forgot this existed, sorry about that. I had this thought left in my 
mind that "any changes that are not new features must go to the net 
tree", which clearly is not the case. I see what you mean now. None of 
my patches on the series satisfy all of the rules specified on the document.

I just think your response could've been less harsh considering I didn't 
intentionally do this. Anyway, it's all resolved now so let's not drag 
this further.

> 
>> I'm by no means a senior C programmer. I'm doing my best to correct the
>> driver.
>>
>> Thank you for explaining the process of phylink with DSA, I will adjust my
>> patches accordingly.
>>
>> I suggest you don't take my patches seriously for a while, until I know
>> better.
> 
> Whether you're a junior or a senior C programmer is entirely irrelevant
> here. I have no choice but to take your patches seriously unless otherwise
> specified, in the commit message, cover letter, or by marking them as
> RFC/RFT (but even then, their intention must be very clearly specified,
> so that I know what to comment on, or test).
> 
> I don't think you really want what you're asking for, which is for
> people to not take your patches seriously. I recommend forming a smaller
> community of people which does preliminary patch review and discusses
> issues around the hardware you're working on, prior to upstream submission.
> That would, at least, be more productive.

Yes, of course. I'm actually planning something similar that involves 
OpenWrt, thanks.

Arınç