netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf-next 01/21] xsk: prepare 'options' in xdp

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Message-ID: <CAKH8qBsKxAzP+sU5diPjtmhsJG2zCYPy4URZJKU3XaV9jjiDHw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 09:20:05 -0700
From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc: Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@...el.com>, 
	"Sarkar, Tirthendu" <tirthendu.sarkar@...el.com>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>, 
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>, 
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>, Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, 
	"Karlsson, Magnus" <magnus.karlsson@...el.com>, Björn Töpel <bjorn@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 01/21] xsk: prepare 'options' in xdp_desc for
 multi-buffer use

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 7:12 AM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 3:27 AM Maciej Fijalkowski
> <maciej.fijalkowski@...el.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 10:56:21AM +0200, Sarkar, Tirthendu wrote:
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2023 10:44 PM
> > > > To: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
> > > > Cc: Fijalkowski, Maciej <maciej.fijalkowski@...el.com>; bpf
> > > > <bpf@...r.kernel.org>; Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>; Daniel
> > > > Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>; Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>;
> > > > Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>; Karlsson, Magnus
> > > > <magnus.karlsson@...el.com>; Sarkar, Tirthendu
> > > > <tirthendu.sarkar@...el.com>; Björn Töpel <bjorn@...nel.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 01/21] xsk: prepare 'options' in xdp_desc for
> > > > multi-buffer use
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:22 PM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 05/18, Maciej Fijalkowski wrote:
> > > > > > From: Tirthendu Sarkar <tirthendu.sarkar@...el.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Use the 'options' field in xdp_desc as a packet continuity marker. Since
> > > > > > 'options' field was unused till now and was expected to be set to 0, the
> > > > > > 'eop' descriptor will have it set to 0, while the non-eop descriptors
> > > > > > will have to set it to 1. This ensures legacy applications continue to
> > > > > > work without needing any change for single-buffer packets.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Add helper functions and extend xskq_prod_reserve_desc() to use the
> > > > > > 'options' field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Tirthendu Sarkar <tirthendu.sarkar@...el.com>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >  include/uapi/linux/if_xdp.h | 16 ++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >  net/xdp/xsk.c               |  8 ++++----
> > > > > >  net/xdp/xsk_queue.h         | 12 +++++++++---
> > > > > >  3 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/if_xdp.h b/include/uapi/linux/if_xdp.h
> > > > > > index a78a8096f4ce..4acc3a9430f3 100644
> > > > > > --- a/include/uapi/linux/if_xdp.h
> > > > > > +++ b/include/uapi/linux/if_xdp.h
> > > > > > @@ -108,4 +108,20 @@ struct xdp_desc {
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  /* UMEM descriptor is __u64 */
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +/* Flag indicating that the packet continues with the buffer pointed out
> > > > by the
> > > > > > + * next frame in the ring. The end of the packet is signalled by setting
> > > > this
> > > > > > + * bit to zero. For single buffer packets, every descriptor has 'options'
> > > > set
> > > > > > + * to 0 and this maintains backward compatibility.
> > > > > > + */
> > > > > > +#define XDP_PKT_CONTD (1 << 0)
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +/* Maximum number of descriptors supported as frags for a packet. So
> > > > the total
> > > > > > + * number of descriptors supported for a packet is
> > > > XSK_DESC_MAX_FRAGS + 1. The
> > > > > > + * max frags supported by skb is 16 for page sizes greater than 4K and 17
> > > > or
> > > > >
> > > > > This is now a config option CONFIG_MAX_SKB_FRAGS. Can we use it
> > > > > directly?
> > > >
> > > > Also it doesn't look right to expose kernel internal config in uapi
> > > > especially since XSK_DESC_MAX_FRAGS is not guaranteed to be 16.
> > >
> > > Ok, we have couple of options here:
> > >
> > > Option 1:  We will define XSK_DESC_MAX_FRAGS to 17 now. This will ensure AF_XDP
> > >  applications will work on any system without any change since the MAX_SKB_FRAGS
> > >  is guaranteed to be at least 17.
> > >
> > > Option 2: Instead of defining a new macro, we say max frags supported is same as
> > >  MAX_SKB_FRAGS as configured in your system. So use 17 or less frags if you want
> > >  your app to work everywhere but you can go larger if you control the system.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions ?
> > >
> > > Also Alexei could you please clarify what you meant by ".. since XSK_DESC_MAX_FRAGS
> > >  is not guaranteed to be 16." ?
> >
> > Maybe it would be better to put this define onto patch 08 so people would
> > see how it is used and get a feeling of it? Although it has a description
> > nothing says about it in commit message.
> >
> > FWIW i'm voting for option 2, but also Alexei's comment is a bit unclear
> > to me, would be nice to hear more about it.
>
> Meaning that uapi can only have fixed constants.
> We cannot put *_MAX_FRAGS there, since it's config dependent.

Same here, would prefer option 2. And don't put it in the uapi. That's
something the users can try to probe maybe?