netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH net 0/3] virtio-net: allow usage of small vrings

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Message-ID: <20230602072138-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:29:10 -0400
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To: Alvaro Karsz <alvaro.karsz@...id-run.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net 0/3] virtio-net: allow usage of small vrings

On Mon, May 01, 2023 at 11:41:44AM +0000, Alvaro Karsz wrote:
> > > > Why the difference?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Because the RING_SIZE < 4 case requires much more adjustments.
> > >
> > > * We may need to squeeze the virtio header into the headroom.
> > > * We may need to squeeze the GSO header into the headroom, or block the features.
> > 
> > We alread do this though no?
> > I think we'll need to tweak hard_header_len to guarantee it's there
> > as opposed to needed_headroom ...
> > 
> > > * At the moment, without NETIF_F_SG, we can receive a skb with 2 segments, we may need to reduce it to 1.
> > 
> > You are saying clearing NETIF_F_SG does not guarantee a linear skb?
> > 
> 
> I don't know..
> I'm not sure what is the cause, but using this patchset, without any host GSO feature, I can get a chain of 3 descriptors.
> Posing an example of a 4 entries ring during iperf3, acting as a client:
> (TX descriptors)
> 
> len=86       flags 0x1         addr 0xf738d000
> len=1448   flags 0x0         addr 0xf738d800
> len=86       flags 0x8081   addr 0xf738e000
> len=1184,   flags 0x8081  addr 0xf738e800
> len=264     flags 0x8080   addr 0xf738f000
> len=86       flags 0x8081   addr 0xf738f800
> len=1448   flags 0x0         addr 0xf7390000
> len=86       flags 0x1         addr 0xf7390800
> len=1448   flags 0x0         addr 0xf7391000
> len=86       flags 0x1         addr 0xf716a800
> len=1448   flags 0x8080   addr 0xf716b000
> len=86       flags 0x8081   addr 0xf7391800
> len=1448   flags 0x8080   addr 0xf7392000
> 
> We got a chain of 3 in here.
> This happens often.
> 
> Now, when negotiating host GSO features, I can get up to 4:
> 
> len=86       flags 0x1         addr 0xf71fc800
> len=21328 flags 0x1         addr 0xf6e00800
> len=32768 flags 0x8081   addr 0xf6e06000
> len=11064 flags 0x8080   addr 0xf6e0e000
> len=86       flags 0x8081   addr 0xf738b000
> len=1         flags 0x8080   addr 0xf738b800
> len=86       flags 0x1         addr 0xf738c000
> len=21704 flags 0x1         addr 0xf738c800
> len=32768 flags 0x1         addr 0xf7392000
> len=10688 flags 0x0         addr 0xf739a000
> len=86       flags 0x8081   addr 0xf739d000
> len=22080 flags 0x8081   addr 0xf739d800
> len=32768 flags 0x8081   addr 0xf73a3000
> len=10312 flags 0x8080   addr 0xf73ab000
> 
> TBH, I thought that this behaviour was expected until you mentioned it,
> This is why virtnet_calc_max_descs returns 3 if no host_gso feature is negotiated, and 4 otherwise.
> I was thinking that we may need to use another skb to hold the TSO template (for headers generation)...
> 
> Any ideas?

Something's wrong with the code apparently. Want to try sticking
printk's in the driver to see what is going on?

Documentation/networking/netdev-features.rst says:
	Those features say that ndo_start_xmit can handle fragmented skbs:
	NETIF_F_SG --- paged skbs (skb_shinfo()->frags), NETIF_F_FRAGLIST ---
	chained skbs (skb->next/prev list).


of course we can always linearize if we want to ...


> > > * We may need to change all the control commands, so class,  command and command specific data will fit in a single segment.
> > > * We may need to disable the control command and all the features depending on it.
> > 
> > well if we don't commands just fail as we can't add them right?
> > no corruption or stalls ...
> > 
> > > * We may need to disable NAPI?
> > 
> > hmm why napi?
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure if it's required to disable it, but I'm not sure what's the point having napi if the ring size is 1..
> Will it work?

Not much point in it but it's simpler to just keep things consistent.

> > > There may be more changes..
> > >
> > > I was thinking that it may be easier to start with the easier case RING_SIZE >= 4, make sure everything is working fine, then send a follow up patchset with the required adjustments for RING_SIZE < 4.
> > 
> > 
> > it's ok but I'm just trying to figure out where does 4 come from.
> > 
> 
> I guess this part was not clear, sorry..
> In case of split vqs, we have ring size 2 before 4.
> And as you saw, we still get chains of 3 when NETIF_F_SG is off (Which I thought was expected).
> 

Worth figuring out where do these come from.

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