netdev - Re: [RFC bpf-next 0/7] bpf: netdev TX metadata

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Message-ID: <20230613203125.7c7916bc@kernel.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 20:31:25 -0700
From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
Cc: bpf@...r.kernel.org, ast@...nel.org, daniel@...earbox.net,
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Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next 0/7] bpf: netdev TX metadata

On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 10:23:00 -0700 Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> The goal of this series is to add two new standard-ish places
> in the transmit path:
> 
> 1. Right before the packet is transmitted (with access to TX
>    descriptors)

I'm not sure that the Tx descriptors can be populated piecemeal.
If we were ever to support more standard offload features, which
require packet geometry (hdr offsets etc.) to be described "call
per feature" will end up duplicating arguments, and there will be
a lot of args..

And if there is an SKB path in the future combining the normal SKB
offloads with the half-rendered descriptors may be a pain.

> 2. Right after the packet is actually transmitted and we've received the
>    completion (again, with access to TX completion descriptors)

For completions trace-style attach makes perfect sense.

> Accessing TX descriptors unlocks the following use-cases:
> 
> - Setting device hints at TX: XDP/AF_XDP might use these new hooks to
> use device offloads. The existing case implements TX timestamp.
> - Observability: global per-netdev hooks can be used for tracing
> the packets and exploring completion descriptors for all sorts of
> device errors.
> 
> Accessing TX descriptors also means that the hooks have to be called
> from the drivers.
> 
> The hooks are a light-weight alternative to XDP at egress and currently

Hm, a lot of lightweight features lately. Unbearable lightness of
features.