netdev - Re: Memory providers multiplexing (Was: [PATCH net-next v4 4/5] page_pool: remove PP_FLAG_PAGE

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Message-ID: <2263ae79-690e-8a4d-fca2-31aacc5c9bc6@kernel.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:39:45 -0600
From: David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: Memory providers multiplexing (Was: [PATCH net-next v4 4/5]
 page_pool: remove PP_FLAG_PAGE_FRAG flag)

On 7/11/23 2:39 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 10:06:28 -0700 Mina Almasry wrote:
>>>> Any reason not to allow an alternative representation for skb frags than
>>>> struct page?  
>>>
>>> I don't think there's a hard technical reason. We can make it work.  
>>
>> I also think we can switch the representation for skb frags to
>> something else. However - please do correct me if I'm wrong - I don't
>> think that is sufficient for device memory TCP. My understanding is
>> that we also need to modify any NIC drivers that want to use device
>> memory TCP to understand a new memory type, and the page pool as well
>> if that's involved. I think in particular modifying the memory type in
>> all the NIC drivers that want to do device memory TCP is difficult. Do
>> you think this is feasible?
> 
> That's why I was thinking about adding an abstraction between 
> the page pool and the driver. Instead of feeding driver pages
> a new abstraction could feed the driver just an identifier and a PA.

skb frag is currently a bio_vec. Overloading the 'struct page' address
in that struct with another address is easy to do. Requiring a certain
alignment on the address gives you a few low bits to use a flags / magic
/ etc.

Overloading len and offset is not really possible - way too much code is
affected (e.g., iov walking and MSS / TSO segmenting).

ie., you could overload page address with a pointer to an object in your
new abstraction layer and the struct has the other meta data.

typedef struct skb_frag {
	union {
		struct bio_vec bvec;
		struct new_abstraction abs;
	};
} skb_frag_t;

where

struct new_abstraction {
	void *addr,
	unsigned int len;
	unsigned int offset;
};

I have been playing with a similar and it co-exists with the existing
code quite well with the constraint on location of len and offset.

> 
> Whether we want to support fragmentation in that model or not would 
> have to be decided.
> 
> We can take pages from the page pool and feed them to drivers via
> such an API, but drivers need to stop expecting pages.

yes, drivers would have to be updated to understand the new format. A
downside, but again relatively easy to manage.

> 
> That's for data buffers only, obviously. We can keep using pages 
> and raw page pool for headers.

yes.