netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH 00/10] Device Memory TCP

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 15:06:29 -0300
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-media@...r.kernel.org, dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org,
	linaro-mm-sig@...ts.linaro.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@...r.kernel.org,
	Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@...aro.org>,
	Christian König <christian.koenig@....com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@...aro.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/10] Device Memory TCP

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:36:52AM -0700, Mina Almasry wrote:

> That is specific to this proposal, and will likely be very different
> in future ones. I thought the dma-buf pages approach was extensible
> and the uapi belonged somewhere in dma-buf. Clearly not. The next
> proposal, I think, will program the rxq via some net uapi and will
> take the dma-buf as input. Probably some netlink api (not sure if
> ethtool family or otherwise). I'm working out details of this
> non-paged networking first.

In practice you want the application to startup, get itself some 3/5
tuples and then request the kernel to setup the flow steering and
provision the NIC queues.

This is the right moment for the application to provide the backing
for the rx queue memory via a DMABUF handle.

Ideally this would all be accessible to non-priv applications as well,
so I think you'd want some kind of system call that sets all this up
and takes in a FD for the 3/5-tuple socket (to prove ownership over
the steering) and the DMABUF FD.

The queues and steering should exist only as long as the application
is still running (whatever that means). Otherwise you have a big mess
to clean up whenever anything crashes.

netlink feels like a weird API choice for that, in particular it would
be really wrong to somehow bind the lifecycle of a netlink object to a
process.

Further, if you are going to all the trouble of doing this, it seems
to me you should make it work with any kind of memory, including CPU
memory. Get a consistent approach to zero-copy TCP RX. So also allow a
memfd or similar to be passed in as the backing storage.

Jason