netdev - Re: [PATCH vhost v11 05/10] virtio_ring: introduce virtqueue_dma

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Message-ID: <260c7815-ca50-f6f5-9a37-7960a9a3b9eb@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 12:12:38 +0100
From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>
To: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@...ux.alibaba.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
 virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
 "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
 Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
 Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>,
 John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
 bpf@...r.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
 Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vhost v11 05/10] virtio_ring: introduce
 virtqueue_dma_dev()

On 8/2/23 02:36, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 08:45:10 -0700, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 10:57:30 +0800 Xuan Zhuo wrote:
>>>> You have this working and benchmarked or this is just and idea?
>>>
>>> This is not just an idea. I said that has been used on large scale.
>>>
>>> This is the library for the APP to use the AF_XDP. We has open it.
>>> https://gitee.com/anolis/libxudp
>>>
>>> This is the Alibaba version of the nginx. That has been opened, that supported
>>> to work with the libray to use AF_XDP.
>>> http://tengine.taobao.org/
>>>
>>> I supported this on our kernel release Anolis/Alinux.
>>
>> Interesting!
>>
>>> The work was done about 2 years ago. You know, I pushed the first version to
>>> enable AF_XDP on virtio-net about two years ago. I never thought the job would
>>> be so difficult.
>>
>> Me neither, but it is what it is.
>>
>>> The nic (virtio-net) of AliYun can reach 24,000,000PPS.
>>> So I think there is no different with the real HW on the performance.
>>>
>>> With the AF_XDP, the UDP pps is seven times that of the kernel udp stack.
>>
>> UDP pps or QUIC pps? UDP with or without GSO?
> 
> UDP PPS without GSO.
> 
>>
>> Do you have measurements of how much it saves in real world workloads?
>> I'm asking mostly out of curiosity, not to question the use case.
> 
> YES，the result is affected by the request size, we can reach 10-40%.
> The smaller the request size, the lower the result.
> 
>>
>>>> What about io_uring zero copy w/ pre-registered buffers.
>>>> You'll get csum offload, GSO, all the normal perf features.
>>>
>>> We tried io-uring, but it was not suitable for our scenario.
>>>
>>> Yes, now the AF_XDP does not support the csum offload and GSO.
>>> This is indeed a small problem.
>>
>> Can you say more about io-uring suitability? It can do zero copy
>> and recently-ish Pavel optimized it quite a bit.
> 
> First, AF_XDP is also zero-copy. We also use XDP for a few things.
> 
> And this was all about two years ago, so we have to say something about io-uring
> two years ago.
> 
> As far as I know, io-uring still use kernel udp stack, AF_XDP can
> skip all kernel stack directly to driver.
> 
> So here, io-ring does not have too much advantage.

Unfortunately I'd agree. Most of it is in the net stack. It can be
optimised to a certain extent (IMHO far more modest than 7x) but would
need extensive reworking, and I don't think I saw any appetite for that

-- 
Pavel Begunkov