netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Rust Socket abstractions

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Message-ID: <20230817084848.4871fc23@kernel.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:48:48 -0700
From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To: Michele Dalle Rive <dallerivemichele@...il.com>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
 Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@...nel.org>, Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@...il.com>,
 Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@...il.com>, "David S. Miller"
 <davem@...emloft.net>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>, Paolo Abeni
 <pabeni@...hat.com>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>, Gary Guo
 <gary@...yguo.net>, Björn Roy Baron
 <bjorn3_gh@...tonmail.com>, Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@...ton.me>, Alice
 Ryhl <aliceryhl@...gle.com>, Davide Rovelli <davide.rovelli@....ch>,
 rust-for-linux@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
 linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, patches@...ts.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Rust Socket abstractions

On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:53:03 +0200 Michele Dalle Rive wrote:
> in the last few days, I had the opportunity to discuss with some people from
> the RustForLinux community.
> 
> I apologize for not being clear: the goal of these APIs was to give some
> network support to, in particular, out-of-tree modules; they were not meant to
> be used by a specific module that was planned to get upstreamed as well.
> The idea behind this patch is that, as of now, Rust is not a viable option for
> any OOT module that requires even the highest-level network support.
> 
> I am wondering whether the `net` subsystem is interested in reviewing, giving
> feedback and eventually accepting code that is currently OOT-only.

This is a bit concerning. You can white out Rust in that and plonk in
some corporate backed project people tried to cram into the kernel
without understanding the community aspects. I'm not saying it's 
the same but the tone reads the same.

"The `net` subsystem" have given "the RustForLinux community" clear
guidance on what a good integration starting point is. And now someone
else from Rust comes in and talk about supporting OOT modules.

I thought the Rust was just shaking up the languages we use, not the
fundamentals on how this project operates :|