netdev - Re: Does anyone use Appletalk?

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Message-ID: <79b7f88e3dd6536fe69c63ed3b4cc1f2c551ce8d.camel@redhat.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2023 15:27:27 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dcbw@...hat.com>
To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@...sik.fu-berlin.de>, Geert
	Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>
Cc: linux-m68k <linux-m68k@...ts.linux-m68k.org>, Arnd Bergmann
 <arnd@...db.de>,  Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, netdev
 <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Does anyone use Appletalk?

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:26 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Hi Geert,
> 
> On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:19 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > Isn't that a bit late?
> > 
> > It can always be reverted...
> 
> Sure, but I'd rather see such discussions before merging the removal
> patch. Best would have been to reach out to the netatalk project, for
> example and ask [1]. They just released version 3.1.18 of the
> netatalk
> server in October 2023.
> 
> It's an incredibly cool project because it allows you to replace the
> expensive Apple TimeMachine hardware with a cheap Raspberry Pi ;-).

But... Time Machine debuted with 10.5 and AppleTalk got removed in
10.6; did the actual TimeCapsules ever support AppleTalk, or were they
always TCP/IP-based?

(also TimeMachine-capable Airport Extremes [A1354] are like $15 on
eBay; that's cheaper than a Raspberry Pi)

This patch only removes the Linux-side ipddp driver (eg MacIP) so if
Time Capsules never supported AppleTalk, this patch is unrelated to
TimeMachine.

What this patch *may* break is Linux as a MacIP gateway, allowing
AppleTalk-only machines to talk TCP/IP to systems. But that's like
what, the 128/512/Plus and PowerBook Duo/1xx? Everything else had a
PDS/NuBus slot or onboard Ethernet and could do native
MacTCP/OpenTransport...

Dan