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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 17:12:32 +0000
From: "Russell King (Oracle)" <>
To: Andrew Lunn <>
Cc: Klaus Kudielka <>,
	"David S . Miller" <>,
	Jakub Kicinski <>, netdev <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] leds: triggers: netdev: add a check, whether device is up

On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 05:41:54PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> [Changes the Cc: list. Dropping LED people, adding a few netdev
> people]
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2023 at 04:27:45PM +0100, Klaus Kudielka wrote:
> > After booting, the device is down, but netdev trigger reports "link" active.
> > This looks wrong to me.
> > 
> > I can then "ip link set eth2 up", and the "link" goes away - as I
> > would have expected it to be from the beginning.
> Thanks for the details.
> A brain dump...
> You do see a lot of MAC drivers doing a netif_carrier_off() in there
> probe function. That suggests the carrier is on by default. I doubt we
> can change that, we would break all the drivers which assume the
> carrier is on by default, probably virtual devices and some real
> devices.

Note that one of the things that phylink will do is call
netif_carrier_off() when phylink_start() is called to ensure that the
netdev state matches its internal state.

> Often the MAC and PHY are connected in the open() callback, when using
> phylib. So that is too late.  phylink_create() is however mostly used
> in the probe function. So it could set the carrier to off by default.
> Russell, what do you think?

I was going to ask whether that would be a good idea - since it means
that the carrier is in the right state at probe time as well as after
phylink_start() has been called.

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