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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 13:17:59 -0800
From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 10/12] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP

On 11/06, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 10:44 AM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/05, Mina Almasry wrote:
> > > In tcp_recvmsg_locked(), detect if the skb being received by the user
> > > is a devmem skb. In this case - if the user provided the MSG_SOCK_DEVMEM
> > > flag - pass it to tcp_recvmsg_devmem() for custom handling.
> > >
> > > tcp_recvmsg_devmem() copies any data in the skb header to the linear
> > > buffer, and returns a cmsg to the user indicating the number of bytes
> > > returned in the linear buffer.
> > >
> > > tcp_recvmsg_devmem() then loops over the unaccessible devmem skb frags,
> > > and returns to the user a cmsg_devmem indicating the location of the
> > > data in the dmabuf device memory. cmsg_devmem contains this information:
> > >
> > > 1. the offset into the dmabuf where the payload starts. 'frag_offset'.
> > > 2. the size of the frag. 'frag_size'.
> > > 3. an opaque token 'frag_token' to return to the kernel when the buffer
> > > is to be released.
> > >
> > > The pages awaiting freeing are stored in the newly added
> > > sk->sk_user_pages, and each page passed to userspace is get_page()'d.
> > > This reference is dropped once the userspace indicates that it is
> > > done reading this page.  All pages are released when the socket is
> > > destroyed.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@...gle.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Kaiyuan Zhang <kaiyuanz@...gle.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > RFC v3:
> > > - Fixed issue with put_cmsg() failing silently.
> > >
> > > ---
> > >  include/linux/socket.h            |   1 +
> > >  include/net/page_pool/helpers.h   |   9 ++
> > >  include/net/sock.h                |   2 +
> > >  include/uapi/asm-generic/socket.h |   5 +
> > >  include/uapi/linux/uio.h          |   6 +
> > >  net/ipv4/tcp.c                    | 189 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> > >  net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c               |   7 ++
> > >  7 files changed, 214 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/include/linux/socket.h b/include/linux/socket.h
> > > index cfcb7e2c3813..fe2b9e2081bb 100644
> > > --- a/include/linux/socket.h
> > > +++ b/include/linux/socket.h
> > > @@ -326,6 +326,7 @@ struct ucred {
> > >                                         * plain text and require encryption
> > >                                         */
> > >
> > > +#define MSG_SOCK_DEVMEM 0x2000000    /* Receive devmem skbs as cmsg */
> >
> > Sharing the feedback that I've been providing internally on the public list:
> >
> 
> There may have been a miscommunication. I don't recall hearing this
> specific feedback from you, at least in the last few months. Sorry if
> it seemed like I'm ignoring feedback :)

No worries, there was a thread long time ago about this whole token
interface and whether it should support out-of-order refills, etc.

> > IMHO, we need a better UAPI to receive the tokens and give them back to
> > the kernel. CMSG + setsockopt(SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED) get the job done,
> > but look dated and hacky :-(
> >
> > We should either do some kind of user/kernel shared memory queue to
> > receive/return the tokens (similar to what Jonathan was doing in his
> > proposal?)
> 
> I'll take a look at Jonathan's proposal, sorry, I'm not immediately
> familiar but I wanted to respond :-) But is the suggestion here to
> build a new kernel-user communication channel primitive for the
> purpose of passing the information in the devmem cmsg? IMHO that seems
> like an overkill. Why add 100-200 lines of code to the kernel to add
> something that can already be done with existing primitives? I don't
> see anything concretely wrong with cmsg & setsockopt approach, and if
> we switch to something I'd prefer to switch to an existing primitive
> for simplicity?
> 
> The only other existing primitive to pass data outside of the linear
> buffer is the MSG_ERRQUEUE that is used for zerocopy. Is that
> preferred? Any other suggestions or existing primitives I'm not aware
> of?

I guess I'm just wondering whether other people have any suggestions
here. Not sure Jonathan's way was better, but we fundamentally
have two queues between the kernel and the userspace:
- userspace receiving tokens (recvmsg + magical flag)
- userspace refilling tokens (setsockopt + magical flag)

So having some kind of shared memory producer-consumer queue feels natural.
And using 'classic' socket api here feels like a stretch, idk.

But maybe I'm overthinking and overcomplicating :-)

> > or bite the bullet and switch to io_uring.
> >
> 
> IMO io_uring & socket support are orthogonal, and one doesn't preclude
> the other. As you know we like to use sockets and I believe there are
> issues with io_uring adoption at Google that I'm not familiar with
> (and could be wrong). I'm interested in exploring io_uring support as
> a follow up but I think David Wei will be interested in io_uring
> support as well anyway.

Ack, might be one more reason on our side to adopt iouring :-p

> > I was also suggesting to do it via netlink initially, but it's probably
> > a bit slow for these purpose, idk.
> 
> Yeah, I hear netlink is reserved for control paths and is
> inappropriate for data path, but I'll let folks correct me if wrong.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Mina

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