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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 16:34:29 +0100
From: Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@...mens.com>
To: "Song, Yoong Siang" <yoong.siang.song@...el.com>, Willem de Bruijn
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Subject: Re: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 2/3] net: stmmac: add Launch
Time support to XDP ZC
On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 15:25 +0000, Song, Yoong Siang wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 10:55 PM, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/3/23 17:51, Song Yoong Siang wrote:
> > > > This patch enables Launch Time (Time-Based Scheduling) support to XDP zero
> > > > copy via XDP Tx metadata framework.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Song Yoong Siang<yoong.siang.song@...el.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > drivers/net/ethernet/stmicro/stmmac/stmmac.h | 2 ++
> > >
> > > As requested before, I think we need to see another driver implementing
> > > this.
> > >
> > > I propose driver igc and chip i225.
>
> Sure. I will include igc patches in next version.
>
> > >
> > > The interesting thing for me is to see how the LaunchTime max 1 second
> > > into the future[1] is handled code wise. One suggestion is to add a
> > > section to Documentation/networking/xsk-tx-metadata.rst per driver that
> > > mentions/documents these different hardware limitations. It is natural
> > > that different types of hardware have limitations. This is a close-to
> > > hardware-level abstraction/API, and IMHO as long as we document the
> > > limitations we can expose this API without too many limitations for more
> > > capable hardware.
>
> Sure. I will try to add hardware limitations in documentation.
>
> >
> > I would assume that the kfunc will fail when a value is passed that
> > cannot be programmed.
> >
>
> In current design, the xsk_tx_metadata_request() dint got return value.
> So user won't know if their request is fail.
> It is complex to inform user which request is failing.
> Therefore, IMHO, it is good that we let driver handle the error silently.
>
If the programmed value is invalid, the packet will be "dropped" / will
never make it to the wire, right?
That is clearly a situation that the user should be informed about. For
RT systems this normally means that something is really wrong regarding
timing / cycle overflow. Such systems have to react on that situation.
>
>
> > What is being implemented here already exists for qdiscs. The FQ
> > qdisc takes a horizon attribute and
> >
> > "
> > when a packet is beyond the horizon
> > at enqueue() time:
> > - either drop the packet (default policy)
> > - or cap its delivery time to the horizon.
> > "
> > commit 39d010504e6b ("net_sched: sch_fq: add horizon attribute")
> >
> > Having the admin manually configure this on the qdisc based on
> > off-line knowledge of the device is more fragile than if the device
> > would somehow signal its limit to the stack.
> >
> > But I don't think we should add enforcement of that as a requirement
> > for this xdp extension of pacing.
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