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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 11:39:28 -0800
From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 2/3] net: stmmac: add Launch
 Time support to XDP ZC

On 12/05, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 7:34 AM Florian Bezdeka
> > <florian.bezdeka@...mens.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 15:25 +0000, Song, Yoong Siang wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 4, 2023 10:55 PM, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > > > Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 12/3/23 17:51, Song Yoong Siang wrote:
> > > > > > > This patch enables Launch Time (Time-Based Scheduling) support to XDP zero
> > > > > > > copy via XDP Tx metadata framework.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Song Yoong Siang<yoong.siang.song@...el.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > >   drivers/net/ethernet/stmicro/stmmac/stmmac.h      |  2 ++
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As requested before, I think we need to see another driver implementing
> > > > > > this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I propose driver igc and chip i225.
> > > >
> > > > Sure. I will include igc patches in next version.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The interesting thing for me is to see how the LaunchTime max 1 second
> > > > > > into the future[1] is handled code wise. One suggestion is to add a
> > > > > > section to Documentation/networking/xsk-tx-metadata.rst per driver that
> > > > > > mentions/documents these different hardware limitations.  It is natural
> > > > > > that different types of hardware have limitations.  This is a close-to
> > > > > > hardware-level abstraction/API, and IMHO as long as we document the
> > > > > > limitations we can expose this API without too many limitations for more
> > > > > > capable hardware.
> > > >
> > > > Sure. I will try to add hardware limitations in documentation.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I would assume that the kfunc will fail when a value is passed that
> > > > > cannot be programmed.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In current design, the xsk_tx_metadata_request() dint got return value.
> > > > So user won't know if their request is fail.
> > > > It is complex to inform user which request is failing.
> > > > Therefore, IMHO, it is good that we let driver handle the error silently.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If the programmed value is invalid, the packet will be "dropped" / will
> > > never make it to the wire, right?
> 
> Programmable behavior is to either drop or cap to some boundary
> value, such as the farthest programmable time in the future: the
> horizon. In fq:
> 
>                 /* Check if packet timestamp is too far in the future. */
>                 if (fq_packet_beyond_horizon(skb, q, now)) {
>                         if (q->horizon_drop) {
>                                         q->stat_horizon_drops++;
>                                         return qdisc_drop(skb, sch, to_free);
>                         }
>                         q->stat_horizon_caps++;
>                         skb->tstamp = now + q->horizon;
>                 }
>                 fq_skb_cb(skb)->time_to_send = skb->tstamp;
> 
> Drop is the more obviously correct mode.
> 
> Programming with a clock source that the driver does not support will
> then be a persistent failure.
> 
> Preferably, this driver capability can be queried beforehand (rather
> than only through reading error counters afterwards).
> 
> Perhaps it should not be a driver task to convert from possibly
> multiple clock sources to the device native clock. Right now, we do
> use per-device timecounters for this, implemented in the driver.
> 
> As for which clocks are relevant. For PTP, I suppose the device PHC,
> converted to nsec. For pacing offload, TCP uses CLOCK_MONOTONIC.

Do we need to expose some generic netdev netlink apis to query/adjust
nic clock sources (or maybe there is something existing already)?
Then the userspace can be responsible for syncing/converting the
timestamps to the internal nic clocks. +1 to trying to avoid doing
this in the drivers.

> > > That is clearly a situation that the user should be informed about. For
> > > RT systems this normally means that something is really wrong regarding
> > > timing / cycle overflow. Such systems have to react on that situation.
> > 
> > In general, af_xdp is a bit lacking in this 'notify the user that they
> > somehow messed up' area :-(
> > For example, pushing a tx descriptor with a wrong addr/len in zc mode
> > will not give any visible signal back (besides driver potentially
> > spilling something into dmesg as it was in the mlx case).
> > We can probably start with having some counters for these events?
> 
> This is because the AF_XDP completion queue descriptor format is only
> a u64 address?

Yeah. XDP_COPY mode has the descriptor validation which is exported via
recvmsg errno, but zerocopy path seems to be too deep in the stack
to report something back. And there is no place, as you mention,
in the completion ring to report the status.

> Could error conditions be reported on tx completion in the metadata,
> using xsk_tx_metadata_complete?

That would be one way to do it, yes. But then the error reporting depends
on the metadata opt-in. Having a separate ring to export the errors,
or having a v2 tx-completions layout with extra 'status' field would also
work.

But this seems like something that should be handled separately? Because
we'd have to teach all existing zc drivers to report those errors back
instead of dropping these descriptors..

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