netdev - Re: [net-next 0/3] Per epoll context busy poll support

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Message-ID: <ZcEmDz3UvAksHFFG@google.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 10:17:03 -0800
From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
Cc: Joe Damato <jdamato@...tly.com>, sridhar.samudrala@...el.com, 
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, 
	chuck.lever@...cle.com, jlayton@...nel.org, linux-api@...r.kernel.org, 
	brauner@...nel.org, davem@...emloft.net, alexander.duyck@...il.com, 
	Wei Wang <weiwan@...gle.com>, Amritha Nambiar <amritha.nambiar@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next 0/3] Per epoll context busy poll support

On 02/02, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 12:23:44 -0800 Joe Damato wrote:
> > > Did you see SO_PREFER_BUSY_POLL by any chance? (In combination with
> > > gro_flush_timeout IIRC). We added it a while back with Bjorn, it seems
> > > like a great idea to me at the time but I'm unclear if anyone uses it 
> > > in production..  
> > 
> > I have seen it while reading the code, yes. I think maybe I missed
> > something about its interaction with gro_flush_timeout. In my use case,
> > the machine has no traffic until after the app is started.
> > 
> > In this case, I haven't needed to worry about regular NAPI monopolizing the
> > CPU and preventing busy poll from working.
> > 
> > Maybe I am missing something more nuanced, though? I'll have another look
> > at the code, just incase.
> 
> We reused the gro_flush_timeout as an existing "user doesn't care if
> packets get delayed by this much in worst case" value. If you set
> SO_PREFER_BUSY_POLL the next time you busy pool the NAPI will be marked 
> as "already scheduled" and a timer is set (to gro_flush_timeout).
> If NIC IRQ fires before gro_flush_timeout it gets ignored, because NAPI
> is already marked as scheduled.
> If you busy poll again the timer gets postponed for another
> gro_flush_timeout nsec.
> If timer fires we go back to normal NAPI processing.
> 
> The idea is that you set gro_flush_timeout to some high value, like 
> 10 msec, and expect your app to poll more often than every 10 msec. 
> 
> Then the normal NAPI processing will never kick in, and there will 
> be only 1 NIC IRQ after which the HW IRQ remains masked.
> With high coalescing timer you technically still get an IRQ every
> so often and interrupt the app. Worst case (UDP flood) you may even
> get into an overload where the app gets starved out completely..

Should we also add prefer_busy_poll parameter to EPIOCSPARAMS?
napi_busy_loop in ep_busy_loop has its prefer_busy_poll argument
hard-coded as false.