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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 14:47:20 +0200
From: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org>
To: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl>
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	Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] power: sequencing: implement the subsystem and
 add first users

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 14:27, Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 12:27 PM Dmitry Baryshkov
> <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 at 13:00, Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:21 PM Dmitry Baryshkov
> > > <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 19:18, <neil.armstrong@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 19/02/2024 13:33, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 14:23, Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@...ev.pl> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:26 AM Dmitry Baryshkov
> > > > > >> <dmitry.baryshkov@...aro.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [snip]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>> For WCN7850 we hide the existence of the PMU as modeling it is simply not
> > > > > >>>>>>>> necessary. The BT and WLAN devices on the device-tree are represented as
> > > > > >>>>>>>> consuming the inputs (relevant to the functionality of each) of the PMU
> > > > > >>>>>>>> directly.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> We are describing the hardware. From the hardware point of view, there
> > > > > >>>>>>> is a PMU. I think at some point we would really like to describe all
> > > > > >>>>>>> Qualcomm/Atheros WiFI+BT units using this PMU approach, including the
> > > > > >>>>>>> older ath10k units present on RB3 (WCN3990) and db820c (QCA6174).
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> While I agree with older WiFi+BT units, I don't think it's needed for
> > > > > >>>>>> WCN7850 since BT+WiFi are now designed to be fully independent and PMU is
> > > > > >>>>>> transparent.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I don't see any significant difference between WCN6750/WCN6855 and
> > > > > >>>>> WCN7850 from the PMU / power up point of view. Could you please point
> > > > > >>>>> me to the difference?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> The WCN7850 datasheet clearly states there's not contraint on the WLAN_EN
> > > > > >>>> and BT_EN ordering and the only requirement is to have all input regulators
> > > > > >>>> up before pulling up WLAN_EN and/or BT_EN.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> This makes the PMU transparent and BT and WLAN can be described as independent.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>  From the hardware perspective, there is a PMU. It has several LDOs. So
> > > > > >>> the device tree should have the same style as the previous
> > > > > >>> generations.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My thinking was this: yes, there is a PMU but describing it has no
> > > > > >> benefit (unlike QCA6x90). If we do describe, then we'll end up having
> > > > > >> to use pwrseq here despite it not being needed because now we won't be
> > > > > >> able to just get regulators from WLAN/BT drivers directly.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So I also vote for keeping it this way. Let's go into the package
> > > > > >> detail only if it's required.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The WiFi / BT parts are not powered up by the board regulators. They
> > > > > > are powered up by the PSU. So we are not describing it in the accurate
> > > > > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I disagree, the WCN7850 can also be used as a discrete PCIe M.2 card, and in
> > > > > this situation the PCIe part is powered with the M.2 slot and the BT side
> > > > > is powered separately as we currently do it now.
> > > >
> > > > QCA6390 can also be used as a discrete M.2 card.
> > > >
> > > > > So yes there's a PMU, but it's not an always visible hardware part, from the
> > > > > SoC PoV, only the separate PCIe and BT subsystems are visible/controllable/powerable.
> > > >
> > > > From the hardware point:
> > > > - There is a PMU
> > > > - The PMU is connected to the board supplies
> > > > - Both WiFi and BT parts are connected to the PMU
> > > > - The BT_EN / WLAN_EN pins are not connected to the PMU
> > > >
> > > > So, not representing the PMU in the device tree is a simplification.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about the existing WLAN and BT users of similar packages? We
> > > would have to deprecate a lot of existing bindings. I don't think it's
> > > worth it.
> >
> > We have bindings that are not reflecting the hardware. So yes, we
> > should gradually update them once the powerseq is merged.
> >
> > > The WCN7850 is already described in bindings as consuming what is PMUs
> > > inputs and not its outputs.
> >
> > So do WCN6855 and QCA6391 BlueTooth parts.
> >
>
> That is not true for the latter, this series is adding regulators for it.

But the bindings exist already, so you still have to extend it,
deprecating regulator-less bindings.

Bartosz, I really don't understand what is the issue there. There is a
PMU. As such it should be represented in the DT and it can be handled
by the same driver as you are adding for QCA6390.

>
> Bart
>
> > >
> > > Bart
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moreover, I think we definitely want to move BT driver to use only the
> > > > > > pwrseq power up method. Doing it in the other way results in the code
> > > > > > duplication and possible issues because of the regulator / pwrseq
> > > > > > taking different code paths.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > With best wishes
> > > > Dmitry
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best wishes
> > Dmitry



-- 
With best wishes
Dmitry

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