netdev - Re: [REGRESSION] Re: [PATCH] crypto: pkcs7: remove sha1 support

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 08:22:38 -0400
From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
To: James Prestwood <prestwoj@...il.com>, Eric Biggers
 <ebiggers@...nel.org>,  Jeff Johnson <quic_jjohnson@...cinc.com>
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Subject: Re: [REGRESSION] Re: [PATCH] crypto: pkcs7: remove sha1 support

On Thu, 2024-03-14 at 04:52 -0700, James Prestwood wrote:
> I'm also not entirely sure why this stuff continues to be removed
> from the kernel. First MD4, then it got reverted, then this (now
> reverted, thanks). Both cases there was not clear justification of
> why it was  being removed.

I think this is some misunderstanding of the NIST and FIPS requirements
with regards to hashes, ciphers and bits of security.  The bottom line
is that neither NIST nor FIPS requires the removal of the sha1
algorithm at all.  Both of them still support it for HMAC (for now). 
In addition, the FIPS requirement is only that you not *issue* sha1
hashed signatures.  FIPS still allows you to verify legacy signatures
with sha1 as the signing hash (for backwards compatibility reasons). 
Enterprises with no legacy and no HMAC requirements *may* remove the
hash, but it's not mandated.

So *removing* sha1 from the certificate code was the wrong thing to do.
We should have configurably prevented using sha1 as the algorithm for
new signatures but kept it for signature verification.

Can we please get this sorted out before 2025, because next up is the
FIPS requirement to move to at least 128 bits of security which will
see RSA2048 deprecated in a similar way: We should refuse to issue
RSA2048 signatures, but will still be allowed to verify them for legacy
reasons.

James