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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 13:19:34 +0200
From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@...el.com>
Cc: "Temerkhanov, Sergey" <sergey.temerkhanov@...el.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org" <intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org>,
	"Kitszel, Przemyslaw" <przemyslaw.kitszel@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH iwl-next v2] ice: Extend auxbus device
 naming

Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 06:56:37PM CEST, jacob.e.keller@...el.com wrote:
>
>
>On 4/24/2024 8:07 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 12:03:25AM CEST, jacob.e.keller@...el.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/23/2024 6:14 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>>> Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 01:56:55PM CEST, sergey.temerkhanov@...el.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 1:36 PM
>>>>>> To: Temerkhanov, Sergey <sergey.temerkhanov@...el.com>
>>>>>> Cc: intel-wired-lan@...ts.osuosl.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Kitszel,
>>>>>> Przemyslaw <przemyslaw.kitszel@...el.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH iwl-next v2] ice: Extend auxbus device naming
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 11:14:59AM CEST, sergey.temerkhanov@...el.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Include segment/domain number in the device name to distinguish
>>>>>> between
>>>>>>> PCI devices located on different root complexes in multi-segment
>>>>>>> configurations. Naming is changed from ptp_<bus>_<slot>_clk<clock>  to
>>>>>>> ptp_<domain>_<bus>_<slot>_clk<clock>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand why you need to encode pci properties of a parent device
>>>>>> into the auxiliary bus name. Could you please explain the motivation? Why
>>>>>> you need a bus instance per PF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of the auxbus registrators don't do this. Could you please align? Just
>>>>>> have one bus for ice driver and that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> This patch adds support for multi-segment PCIe configurations.
>>>>> An auxdev is created for each adapter, which has a clock, in the system. There can be
>>>>
>>>> You are trying to change auxiliary bus name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> more than one adapter present, so there exists a possibility of device naming conflict.
>>>>> To avoid it, auxdevs are named according to the PCI geographical addresses of the adapters.
>>>>
>>>> Why? It's the auxdev, the name should not contain anything related to
>>>> PCI, no reason for it. I asked for motivation, you didn't provide any.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We aren't creating one auxbus per PF. We're creating one auxbus per
>>> *clock*. The device has multiple clocks in some configurations.
>> 
>> Does not matter. Why you need separate bus for whatever-instance? Why
>> can't you just have one ice-ptp bus and put devices on it?
>> 
>> 
>
>Because we only want ports on card A to be connected to the card owner
>on card A. We were using auxiliary bus to manage this. If we use a

You do that by naming auxiliary bus according to the PCI device
created it, which feels obviously wrong.


>single bus for ice-ptp, then we still have to implement separation
>between each set of devices on a single card, which doesn't solve the
>problems we had, and at least with the current code using auxiliary bus
>doesn't buy us much if it doesn't solve that problem.

I don't think that auxiliary bus is the answer for your problem. Please
don't abuse it.

>
>>>
>>> We need to connect each PF to the same clock controller, because there
>>> is only one clock owner for the device in a multi-port card.
>> 
>> Connect how? But putting a PF-device on a per-clock bus? That sounds
>> quite odd. How did you figure out this usage of auxiliary bus?
>> 
>> 
>
>Yea, its a multi-function board but the functions aren't fully
>independent. Each port has its own PF, but multiple ports can be tied to
>the same clock. We have similar problems with a variety of HW aspects.
>I've been told that the design is simpler for other operating systems,
>(something about the way the subsystems work so that they expect ports
>to be tied to functions). But its definitely frustrating from Linux
>perspective where a single driver instance for the device would be a lot
>easier to manage.

You can always do it by internal accounting in ice, merge multiple PF
pci devices into one internal instance. Or checkout
drivers/base/component.c, perhaps it could be extended for your usecase.


>
>>>
>>>> Again, could you please avoid creating auxiliary bus per-PF and just
>>>> have one auxiliary but per-ice-driver?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We can't have one per-ice driver, because we don't want to connect ports
>>>from a different device to the same clock. If you have two ice devices
>>> plugged in, the ports on each device are separate from each other.
>>>
>>> The goal here is to connect the clock ports to the clock owner.
>>>
>>> Worse, as described here, we do have some devices which combine multiple
>>> adapters together and tie their clocks together via HW signaling. In
>>> those cases the clocks *do* need to communicate across the device, but
>>> only to other ports on the same physical device, not to ports on a
>>> different device.
>>>
>>> Perhaps auxbus is the wrong approach here? but how else can we connect
>> 
>> Yeah, feels quite wrong.
>> 
>> 
>>> these ports without over-connecting to other ports? We could write
>>> bespoke code which finds these devices, but that felt like it was risky
>>> and convoluted.
>> 
>> Sounds you need something you have for DPLL subsystem. Feels to me that
>> your hw design is quite disconnected from the Linux device model :/
>> 
>
>I'm not 100% sure how DPLL handles this. I'll have to investigate.

DPLL leaves the merging on DPLL level. The ice driver just register
entities multiple times. It is specifically designed to fit ice needs.


>
>One thing I've considered a lot in the past (such as back when I was
>working on devlink flash update) was to somehow have a sort of extra
>layer where we could register with PCI subsystem some sort of "whole
>device" driver, that would get registered first and could connect to the
>rest of the function driver instances as they load. But this seems like
>it would need a lot of work in the PCI layer, and apparently hasn't been
>an issue for other devices? though ice is far from unique at least for
>Intel NICs. Its just that the devices got significantly more complex and
>functions more interdependent with this generation, and the issues with
>global bits were solved in other ways: often via hiding them with
>firmware >:(

I think that others could benefit from such "merged device" as well. I
think it is about the time to introduce it.


>
>
>I've tried explaining the issues with this to HW designers here, but so
>far haven't gotten a lot of traction.
>
>>> We could make use of ice_adapter, though we'd need some logic to manage
>>> devices which have multiple clocks, as well as devices like the one
>>> Sergey is working on which tie multiple adapters together.
>> 
>> Perhaps that is an answer. Maybe we can make DPLL much more simple after
>> that :)
>
>The only major issue with ice_adapter is the case where we have one
>clock connected to multiple adapters, but hopefully Sergey has some
>ideas for how to solve that.
>
>I think we can mostly make the rest of the logic for the usual case work
>via ice_adapter:
>
>1) we already get an ice_adapter reference during early probe
>2) each PF knows whether its an owner or not from the NVM/firmware interface
>3) we can move the list of ports from the auxbus thing into ice_adapter,
>possibly keeping one list per clock number, so that NVMs with multiple
>clocks enabled don't have conflicts or put all ports onto the same clock.
>
>I'm not sure how best to solve the weird case when we have multiple
>adapters tied together, but perhaps something with extending how the
>ice_adapter lookup is done could work? Sergey, I think we can continue
>this design discussion off list and come up with a proposal.
>
>We also have to be careful that whatever new solution also handles
>things which we got with auxiliary bus:
>
>1) prevent issues with ordering if a clock port loads before the clock
>owner PF. If the clock owner loads first, then we need to ensure the
>port still gets initialized. If the clock owner loads second, we need to
>avoid issues with things not being setup yet, i.e. ensure all the
>structures were already initialized (for example by initializing lists
>and such when we create the ice_adapter, not when the clock owner loads).
>
>2) prevent issues with teardown ordering that were previously serialized
>by the auxiliary bus unregister bits, where the driver unregister
>function would wait for all ports to shutdown.
>
>I think this can be done correctly with ice_adapter, but I wanted to
>point them out because we get them implicitly with the current design
>with auxiliary bus.

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