netdev - Re: Driver and H/W APIs Workshop at netdevconf

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Message-ID: <1c36d251-0218-4e9d-b6e3-0d477a5e6a02@kernel.org>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 20:05:36 -0600
From: David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
Cc: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@...el.com>,
 Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@...el.com>,
 Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...dia.com>, Tariq Toukan <tariqt@...dia.com>,
 Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>,
 Andrew Gospodarek <andrew.gospodarek@...adcom.com>,
 "michael.chan@...adcom.com" <michael.chan@...adcom.com>,
 "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
 Jiri Pirko <jiri@...dia.com>, Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Driver and H/W APIs Workshop at netdevconf

On 5/6/24 7:06 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2024 13:59:31 -0600 David Ahern wrote:
>> Suggested topics based on recent netdev threads include
>> - devlink - extensions, shortcomings, ...
>> - extension to memory pools
>> - new APIs for managing queues
>> - challenges of netdev / IB co-existence (e.g., driven by AI workloads)
>> - fwctl - a proposal for direct firmware access
> 
> Memory pools and queue API are more of stack features.

That require driver support, no? e.g., There is no way that queue API is
going to work with the Enfabrica device without driver support.

The point of the above is a list to motivate discussion based on recent
topics.

> Please leave them out of your fwctl session.

fwctl is a discussion item not tied to anything else; let's not conflat
topics here. That it is even on this list is because you brought netdev
into a discussion that is not netdev related. Given that, let's give it
proper daylight any topic deserves without undue bias and letting it
dominate the bigger picture.

> 
> Aren't people who are actually working on those things submitting
> talks or hosting better scoped discussions? It appears you haven't 
> CCed any of them..

I have no idea. I started with a list of well known driver contacts and
cc'ed netdev with an explicit statement that it is open to all.