netdev - Re: [RFC net-next 00/15] add basic PSP encryption for TCP connections

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Message-ID: <ZlWm/rt2OGfOCiZR@gauss3.secunet.de>
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 11:42:22 +0200
From: Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@...unet.com>
To: Paul Wouters <paul@...ats.ca>
CC: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	<pabeni@...hat.com>, <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>, <borisp@...dia.com>,
	<gal@...dia.com>, <cratiu@...dia.com>, <rrameshbabu@...dia.com>,
	<tariqt@...dia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 00/15] add basic PSP encryption for TCP connections

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 08:56:02AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> 
> > Add support for PSP encryption of TCP connections.
> > 
> > PSP is a protocol out of Google:
> > https://github.com/google/psp/blob/main/doc/PSP_Arch_Spec.pdf
> > which shares some similarities with IPsec. I added some more info
> > in the first patch so I'll keep it short here.
> 
> Speaking as an IETF contributor, I am little surprised here. I know
> the google people reached out at IETF and were told their stuff is
> so similar to IPsec, maybe they should talk to the IPsecME Working
> Group. There, I believe Steffen Klassert started working on supporting
> the PSP features requested using updates to the ESP/WESP IPsec protocol,
> such as support for encryption offset to reveal protocol/ports for
> routing encrypted traffic.

This was somewhat semipublic information, so I did not talk about
it on the lists yet. Today we published the draft, it can be found here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klassert-ipsecme-wespv2/

Please note that the packet format specification is portable to other
protocol use cases, such as PSP. It uses IKEv2 as a negotiation
protocol and does not define any key derivation etc. as PSP does.
But it can be also used with other protocols for key negotiation
and key derivation.