Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 15:46:17 +0300
From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>
To: Omer Shpigelman <oshpigelman@...ana.ai>
Cc: "gregkh@...uxfoundation.org" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>,
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	"dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org" <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
	"ogabbay@...nel.org" <ogabbay@...nel.org>,
	Zvika Yehudai <zyehudai@...ana.ai>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/15] RDMA/hbl: add habanalabs RDMA driver

On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 10:46:48AM +0000, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> On 6/30/24 16:29, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:24:32AM +0000, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> >> On 6/19/24 13:52, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 09:27:54AM +0000, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> >>>> On 6/18/24 15:58, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:08:34AM +0000, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 6/17/24 22:04, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 05:43:49PM +0000, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6/13/24 22:18, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 11:22:04AM +0300, Omer Shpigelman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Add an RDMA driver of Gaudi ASICs family for AI scaling.
> >>>>>>>>>> The driver itself is agnostic to the ASIC in action, it operates according
> >>>>>>>>>> to the capabilities that were passed on device initialization.
> >>>>>>>>>> The device is initialized by the hbl_cn driver via auxiliary bus.
> >>>>>>>>>> The driver also supports QP resource tracking and port/device HW counters.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Omer Shpigelman <oshpigelman@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: Abhilash K V <kvabhilash@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Abhilash K V <kvabhilash@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: Andrey Agranovich <aagranovich@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Andrey Agranovich <aagranovich@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: Bharat Jauhari <bjauhari@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Bharat Jauhari <bjauhari@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: David Meriin <dmeriin@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: David Meriin <dmeriin@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: Sagiv Ozeri <sozeri@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Sagiv Ozeri <sozeri@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Co-developed-by: Zvika Yehudai <zyehudai@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Zvika Yehudai <zyehudai@...ana.ai>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >>>> mlx5 IB driver doesn't export any symbol that is used by the core driver,
> >>>> that's why the core driver can be loaded without the IB driver (althought
> >>>> you'll get circular dependency if you would export).
> >>>
> >>> Yes, IB and ETH drivers are "users" of core driver. As RDMA maintainer,
> >>> I'm reluctant to accept code that exports symbols from IB drivers to
> >>> other subsystems. We have drivers/infiniband/core/ for that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> We need the core driver to access the IB driver (and to the ETH driver as
> >> well). As you wrote, we can't use exported symbols from our IB driver nor
> >> rely on function pointers, but what about providing the core driver an ops
> >> structure? meaning exporting a register function from the core driver that
> >> should be called by the IB driver during auxiliary device probe.
> >> Something like:
> >>
> >> int hbl_cn_register_ib_aux_dev(struct auxiliary_device *adev,
> >> 			       struct hbl_ib_ops *ops)
> >> {
> >> ...
> >> }
> >> EXPORT_SYMBOL(hbl_cn_register_ib_aux_dev);
> >>
> >> That's how only the parent driver exports symbols to the son driver so the
> >> IB driver is a "user" of the core driver and so we count on the internal
> >> module reference counter. But we also get the ability to access the IB
> >> driver from the core driver (to report a HW error for example).
> > 
> > Before you are talking about solutions, please explain in technical
> > terms why you absolutely need to access IB from core driver and any
> > other possible way is not possible.
> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> First of all, as a general assumption, everything we do today can also be
> done with unidirectional drivers communication only. If the parent driver
> cannot access the son driver directly, then we can have a blocking command
> queue on the parent side that the parent driver will push to it and the
> son driver will fetch from it, execute the command and unblock the parent.
> That will work but it adds complexity which I'm not sure that is needed.
> The second point is not necessarily about the direction of the
> communication but more about generally using function pointers rather than
> exported symbols - we have 2 flavors of functions for inter driver
> communications: common functions and ASIC specific functions. The ASIC
> specific functions are exposed and initialized per ASIC. If we convert
> them to EXPORT_SYMBOLs then we expose ASIC specific functions regardless
> of the ASIC in action.
> Again, that will work but seems unnecessary. We can check the ASIC type
> that was passed in each exported function and fail if a wrong ASIC type
> was used, but it seems to me like an incorrect approach to use exported
> symbols for ASIC specific communication. EXPORT_SYMBOLs were meant to be
> used for driver level communication, not for utilizing device specific
> capabilities. For that, an ops struct seems more appropriate.
> That's why I'm suggesting to combine both exported symbols and function
> pointers.

Thanks for the explanation. I understand your concerns, but I don't see
any technical justification for the need to access IB driver from the
core.

Thanks

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