netdev - Re: [PATCH v1 00/15] io

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Message-ID: <016059c6-b84d-4b55-937c-e56edbedc53a@kernel.dk>
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 10:57:51 -0600
From: Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>, David Wei <dw@...idwei.uk>
Cc: io-uring@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
 Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
 Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>, "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>, Jesper Dangaard Brouer
 <hawk@...nel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/15] io_uring zero copy rx

On 10/9/24 10:55 AM, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 3:16?PM David Wei <dw@...idwei.uk> wrote:
>>
>> This patchset adds support for zero copy rx into userspace pages using
>> io_uring, eliminating a kernel to user copy.
>>
>> We configure a page pool that a driver uses to fill a hw rx queue to
>> hand out user pages instead of kernel pages. Any data that ends up
>> hitting this hw rx queue will thus be dma'd into userspace memory
>> directly, without needing to be bounced through kernel memory. 'Reading'
>> data out of a socket instead becomes a _notification_ mechanism, where
>> the kernel tells userspace where the data is. The overall approach is
>> similar to the devmem TCP proposal.
>>
>> This relies on hw header/data split, flow steering and RSS to ensure
>> packet headers remain in kernel memory and only desired flows hit a hw
>> rx queue configured for zero copy. Configuring this is outside of the
>> scope of this patchset.
>>
>> We share netdev core infra with devmem TCP. The main difference is that
>> io_uring is used for the uAPI and the lifetime of all objects are bound
>> to an io_uring instance.
> 
> I've been thinking about this a bit, and I hope this feedback isn't
> too late, but I think your work may be useful for users not using
> io_uring. I.e. zero copy to host memory that is not dependent on page
> aligned MSS sizing. I.e. AF_XDP zerocopy but using the TCP stack.

Not David, but come on, let's please get this moving forward. It's been
stuck behind dependencies for seemingly forever, which are finally
resolved. I don't think this is a reasonable ask at all for this
patchset. If you want to work on that after the fact, then that's
certainly an option. But gating this on now new requirements for
something that isn't even a goal of this patchset, that's getting pretty
silly imho.

-- 
Jens Axboe