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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 17:29:45 -0700
From: David Wei <dw@...idwei.uk>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@...gle.com>
Cc: io-uring@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
 Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>, Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@...il.com>,
 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@...hat.com>,
 "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
 Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>,
 David Wei <dw@...idwei.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/15] io_uring zero copy rx

On 2024-10-09 09:55, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 3:16 PM David Wei <dw@...idwei.uk> wrote:
>>
>> This patchset adds support for zero copy rx into userspace pages using
>> io_uring, eliminating a kernel to user copy.
>>
>> We configure a page pool that a driver uses to fill a hw rx queue to
>> hand out user pages instead of kernel pages. Any data that ends up
>> hitting this hw rx queue will thus be dma'd into userspace memory
>> directly, without needing to be bounced through kernel memory. 'Reading'
>> data out of a socket instead becomes a _notification_ mechanism, where
>> the kernel tells userspace where the data is. The overall approach is
>> similar to the devmem TCP proposal.
>>
>> This relies on hw header/data split, flow steering and RSS to ensure
>> packet headers remain in kernel memory and only desired flows hit a hw
>> rx queue configured for zero copy. Configuring this is outside of the
>> scope of this patchset.
>>
>> We share netdev core infra with devmem TCP. The main difference is that
>> io_uring is used for the uAPI and the lifetime of all objects are bound
>> to an io_uring instance.
> 
> I've been thinking about this a bit, and I hope this feedback isn't
> too late, but I think your work may be useful for users not using
> io_uring. I.e. zero copy to host memory that is not dependent on page
> aligned MSS sizing. I.e. AF_XDP zerocopy but using the TCP stack.
> 
> If we refactor things around a bit we should be able to have the
> memory tied to the RX queue similar to what AF_XDP does, and then we
> should be able to zero copy to the memory via regular sockets and via
> io_uring. This will be useful for us and other applications that would
> like to ZC similar to what you're doing here but not necessarily
> through io_uring.

Using io_uring and trying to move away from a socket based interface is
an explicit longer term goal. I see your proposal of adding a
traditional socket based API as orthogonal to what we're trying to do.
If someone is motivated enough to see this exist then they can build it
themselves.

> 
>> Data is 'read' using a new io_uring request
>> type. When done, data is returned via a new shared refill queue. A zero
>> copy page pool refills a hw rx queue from this refill queue directly. Of
>> course, the lifetime of these data buffers are managed by io_uring
>> rather than the networking stack, with different refcounting rules.
>>
>> This patchset is the first step adding basic zero copy support. We will
>> extend this iteratively with new features e.g. dynamically allocated
>> zero copy areas, THP support, dmabuf support, improved copy fallback,
>> general optimisations and more.
>>
>> In terms of netdev support, we're first targeting Broadcom bnxt. Patches
>> aren't included since Taehee Yoo has already sent a more comprehensive
>> patchset adding support in [1]. Google gve should already support this,
> 
> This is an aside, but GVE supports this via the out-of-tree patches
> I've been carrying on github. Uptsream we're working on adding the
> prerequisite page_pool support.
> 
>> and Mellanox mlx5 support is WIP pending driver changes.
>>
>> ===========
>> Performance
>> ===========
>>
>> Test setup:
>> * AMD EPYC 9454
>> * Broadcom BCM957508 200G
>> * Kernel v6.11 base [2]
>> * liburing fork [3]
>> * kperf fork [4]
>> * 4K MTU
>> * Single TCP flow
>>
>> With application thread + net rx softirq pinned to _different_ cores:
>>
>> epoll
>> 82.2 Gbps
>>
>> io_uring
>> 116.2 Gbps (+41%)
>>
>> Pinned to _same_ core:
>>
>> epoll
>> 62.6 Gbps
>>
>> io_uring
>> 80.9 Gbps (+29%)
>>
> 
> Is the 'epoll' results here and the 'io_uring' using TCP RX zerocopy
> [1]  and io_uring zerocopy respectively?
> 
> If not, I would like to see a comparison between TCP RX zerocopy and
> this new io-uring zerocopy. For Google for example we use the TCP RX
> zerocopy, I would like to see perf numbers possibly motivating us to
> move to this new thing.

No, it is comparing epoll without zero copy vs io_uring zero copy. Yes,
that's a fair request. I will add epoll with TCP_ZEROCOPY_RECEIVE to
kperf and compare.

> 
> [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/752046/
> 
> 

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