netdev - Re: [PATCH net v2 0/5] Make TCP-MD5-diag slightly less broken

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Message-ID: <20241118161243.21dd9bc0@kernel.org>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 16:12:43 -0800
From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To: Dmitry Safonov <0x7f454c46@...il.com>
Cc: Dmitry Safonov via B4 Relay <devnull+0x7f454c46.gmail.com@...nel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net v2 0/5] Make TCP-MD5-diag slightly less broken

On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 03:52:47 +0000 Dmitry Safonov wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 at 01:58, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 00:48:17 +0000 Dmitry Safonov wrote:  
> > > Yeah, I'm not sure. I thought of keeping it simple and just marking
> > > the nlmsg "inconsistent". This is arguably a change of meaning for
> > > NLM_F_DUMP_INTR because previously, it meant that the multi-message
> > > dump became inconsistent between recvmsg() calls. And now, it is also
> > > utilized in the "do" version if it raced with the socket setsockopts()
> > > in another thread.  
> >
> > NLM_F_DUMP_INTR is an interesting idea, but exactly as you say NLM_F_DUMP_INTR
> > was a workaround for consistency of the dump as a whole. Single message
> > we can re-generate quite easily in the kernel, so forcing the user to
> > handle INTR and retry seems unnecessarily cruel ;)  
> 
> Kind of agree. But then, it seems to be quite rare. Even on a
> purposely created selftest it fires not each time (maybe I'm not
> skilful enough). Yet somewhat sceptical about a re-try in the kernel:
> the need for it is caused by another thread manipulating keys, so we
> may need another re-try after the first re-try... So, then we would
> have to introduce a limit on retries :D

Wouldn't be the first time ;)
But I'd just retry once with a "very large" buffer.

> Hmm, what do you think about a kind of middle-ground/compromise
> solution: keeping this NLM_F_DUMP_INTR flag and logic, but making it
> hardly ever/never happen by purposely allocating larger skb. I don't
> want to set some value in stone as one day it might become not enough
> for all different socket infos, but maybe just add 4kB more to the
> initial allocation? So, for it to reproduce, another thread would have
> to add 4kB/sizeof(tcp_diag_md5sig) = 4kB/100 ~= 40 MD5 keys on the
> socket between this thread's skb allocation and filling of the info
> array. I'd call it "attempting to be nice to a user, but not at their
> busylooping expense".

The size of the retry buffer should be larger than any valid size.
We can add a warning if calculated size >= 32kB.
If we support an inf number of md5 keys we need to cap it.

Eric is back later this week, perhaps we should wait for his advice.

> > Right, the table based parsing doesn't work well with multi-attr,
> > but other table formats aren't fundamentally better. Or at least
> > I never came up with a good way of solving this. And the multi-attr
> > at least doesn't suffer from the u16 problem.  
> 
> Yeah, also an array of structs that makes it impossible to extend such
> an ABI with new members.
> 
> And with regards to u16, I was thinking of this diff for net-next, but
> was not sure if it's worth it:
> 
> diff --git a/lib/nlattr.c b/lib/nlattr.c
> index be9c576b6e2d..01c5a49ffa34 100644
> --- a/lib/nlattr.c
> +++ b/lib/nlattr.c
> @@ -903,6 +903,9 @@ struct nlattr *__nla_reserve(struct sk_buff *skb,
> int attrtype, int attrlen)
>  {
>   struct nlattr *nla;
> 
> + DEBUG_NET_WARN_ONCE(attrlen >= U16_MAX,
> +     "requested nlattr::nla_len %d >= U16_MAX", attrlen);
> +
>   nla = skb_put(skb, nla_total_size(attrlen));
>   nla->nla_type = attrtype;
>   nla->nla_len = nla_attr_size(attrlen);

I'm slightly worried that this can be triggered already from user
space, but we can try DEBUG_NET_* and see. Here and in nla_nest_end().