netdev - Re: [PATCH] net: ethernet: toshiba: ps3_gelic_wireless: Remove driver using deprecated API wext

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Message-Id: <cecd584c-46c0-4c0b-b3fb-b5cee4bbfd12@app.fastmail.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 05:15:38 +0100
From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@...db.de>
To: "Johannes Berg" <johannes@...solutions.net>,
 "Philipp Hortmann" <philipp.g.hortmann@...il.com>,
 "Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@...n.ch>,
 "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
 "Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@...gle.com>, "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@...nel.org>,
 "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@...hat.com>, "Geoff Levand" <geoff@...radead.org>,
 "Simon Horman" <horms@...nel.org>,
 "Alexander Lobakin" <aleksander.lobakin@...el.com>,
 Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Cc: "Kalle Valo" <kvalo@...nel.org>,
 "Alexandre Belloni" <alexandre.belloni@...tlin.com>,
 "Claudiu Beznea" <claudiu.beznea@...on.dev>,
 "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
 "Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
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 "Stanislaw Gruszka" <stf_xl@...pl>,
 "Gregory Greenman" <gregory.greenman@...el.com>,
 linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>, linux-staging@...ts.linux.dev,
 linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org, "Stefan Lippers-Hollmann" <s.l-h@....de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: ethernet: toshiba: ps3_gelic_wireless: Remove driver using
 deprecated API wext

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025, at 13:44, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-01-03 at 07:44 +0100, Philipp Hortmann wrote:
>> 
>> One of my big fears is the hand over to the next generation maintainers 
>> and developers. The less code and the less exceptions due to old 
>> interfaces the easier it will be. We loose maintainers and developers 
>> for many reasons, like: retirement, burnout, embargos or simply because 
>> they are not paid and need to earn money. After giving some support on 
>> the staging subsystem I cannot see at all that we can attract so many 
>> talented people as required for a save future beyond 7 years...
>
> I wouldn't say that's necessarily a wrong sentiment, but I feel future
> maintainers can also make that decision, and if it's "years" in the
> future the relevance will only go down anyway.
>
> We just started putting some pressure into the system for removal of
> wext and nl80211 support (with WiFi7 devices no longer supporting wext)
> so chances are at least here the situation will change, and anyway wext
> stuff will become less relevant, perhaps to the point that other tools
> will drop support for it anyway. Not wpa_supplicant though, I suppose :)

I would assume that once removing CFG80211_WEXT becomes an option, we
can just put the remaining parts of net/wireless/wext-*.c into both
ps3_gelic and ipw2x00, duplicating and then simplifying the
implementation. As far as I can tell, there is very little that is
actually shared between the two anyway.

     Arnd