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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:40:40 +0000
From: Samuel Neves <>
Subject: Re: [PHC] wider integer multiply on 32-bit x86

On 04-03-2014 05:58, Solar Designer wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 04:04:30AM +0000, Samuel Neves wrote:
>> Poly1305 used the full x86 64-bit mantissa [1, Section 4]. So did
>> curve25519 [2]. According to Agner Fog, the floating-point and integer
>> multipliers in the Pentium III share the same circuitry (and the
>> floating-point multiplication has one extra cycle of latency), so the
>> only advantage here would appear to be register usage. Register renaming
>> does help there.
> So if I do a MUL, immediately save EDX:EAX to other registers, and
> follow that with another similar MUL, the second MUL would be able to
> proceed out-of-order, before the first one completes, correct?  (As long
> as there's no data dependency between the two MULs, indeed.  Only the
> same ISA registers used, which a renamer might resolve.)

Correct. Here's an example where it is clearly visible:

    mul rbx
    mov rsi, rax
    mov rax, rbx
    mul rbx
    mov rdi, rax
    mov rax, rbx

When put in a loop, this sequence consumes ~3.75 Sandy Bridge cycles per
iteration. If you remove the 'mov eax, ebx' lines, it grows to ~6.5 (due
to dependencies). There is still some overhead involved: a perfect loop
should only require ~2 cycles per iteration. Haswell comes very close,
at 2.12 (due to register moves also being eliminated at the renaming
phase). I have no old Pentiums around to check how well renaming works
there, though.

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