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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 14:26:37 -0700
From: Christopher Taylor <>
Subject: Re: [PHC] Re: [SPAM] [PHC] New password authentication protocol:
 Tabby PAKE


I appreciate your quick feedback.  I'll go back and improve the document
further to address these issues.

The Tabby PAKE scheme is out of context for PHC, so it is not part of the
competition.  This was good motivation to do the writeup, though!

Best of luck to everyone =)

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jeremy Spilman <> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> I really enjoyed a read through of your paper.  I found it very easy to
> follow, and I'm looking forward to digging into the math, particular your
> use of Snowshoe Elligator.
> One pet peeve of mine, which SRP does the exact same thing even in the
> RFC, but still...
> From 2.3:
>    1.
>    Off-line dictionary attack resistance: Passive and active attackers
>    must not gain any knowledge that enables them to mount an exhaustive
>    search for the password by interacting with the protocol.
> The last 3 words indicate you mean offline attack from inspecting protocol
> messages. Can you please clarify this and in the same section please
> explain the properties of an offline attack against the validator database?
> 3.3.4 discusses offline dictionary attack where the validator database is
> known. But then 3.4.1 goes back to discuss dictionary attack resistance
> only in terms of protocol messages.
> I don't want to minimize any advantages, but I think going to extra
> lengths to differentiate these two attack modes does a great service to the
> average user of the scheme.
> Thanks for developing all this and sharing with us!

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