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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:55:26 -0700
From: Bill Cox <>
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: [PHC] winner selection

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Thomas Pornin <> wrote:

> I totally agree that Makwa is not completely comparable to bcrypt here,
> because with bcrypt it is rather obvious that the CPU wins (though
> people have tried, the GPU is still substantially lagging behind).
> However it is still unclear whether GPU can be _more_ than merely
> comparable to CPU, when counted in dollars. As long as the GPU is not
> more efficient than the CPU, then Makwa still fulfills the required
> property (i.e. defender's hardware is optimal).

Makwa's GPU defense is irrelevant to me, since I can simply compute Makwa
hashes with an FPGA, and it's ASIC defense is even worse.

All I would do is pipeline the heck out of the computation, doing something
like 2048 Makwa hashes in parallel.  My FPGA would crush any CPU.

This means that we should _always_ delegate Makwa hashes.  It is possible
to also use these Makwa hashing farms to secure a crypto-coin block chain,
making this a big win in a lot of ways, IMO.


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