full-disclosure - hypo-crazy ;)

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From: johnpf at atnet.net.au (John)
Subject: hypo-crazy ;)

No Sockz, not a 'petty attack'. I'm quite willing to go into my reasons 
off list, as I'm not going to breach a legal agreement I made in a 
public mailing list.

Feel free to mail me - I may well have a perspective (based on 
_experience_ of the whole blackhat/whitehat hacker/cracker vendor/police 
thingy) that may (hopefully) show you some issues that (based on your 
ideological rants so far) I believe you are unfamiliar with.

WJS aka Immn

sockz loves you wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: John <johnpf@...et.net.au>
>Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:34:53 +1000 
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] hypo-crazy ;)
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>>OK, I've tried to stay out of this discussion but enough is enough.
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>hail, Immn!!!
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>>In Australia at least there hasn't been a culture if "girls cant do 
>>science" for a _very_ long time. In particular there is a very strong 
>>domination of biochem and genetic research by females, particularly 
>>those in the 50+ years old category.
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>ooh okay so i'm wrong?  fair enuff.  like i said, i dont profess to know
>everything about chemistry, i was just going off what i had heard from a +50yo
>woman in the field.  how 30 odd years ago women were free to study chemistry,
>yet found it hard to get jobs because they were women.  that was her account.
>not that this has anything to do with the plight of female hackers, but wth eh.
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>in any case thankyou for pointing this out, i'll make a note to look into it
>some more when i get the chance.
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>>Now if you'd said mechanical engineering I'd have agreed with you, as it 
>>is still a male dominated discipline. But certainly not Chemistry.
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>>As an Australian I'd of thought you'd have known better, especially 
>>being a student at a University with fairly strong Chem and BioScience 
>>schools - or perhaps you are not as 'in touch' with trends and gender 
>>issues in Oz as you think. Perhaps if you spent more time actually 
>>working on your course and not hanging in #phrack you'd have known that.
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>uh huh.  and your reason for coming up with a personal attack like that is
>what?  are you trying to say you dont really have a point at all?  dude, i'm a
>politics/sociology/info systems/IB student.  science is about the only thing
>i'm NOT studying right now.  i ask for forgiveness if that makes me less than
>perfect.
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>if you want to go into gender discourses, then feel free.  but petty attacks
>like this only serve to highlight the fact that you have nothing else to say.
>and as for spending most of my time in #phrack?  please.  i could say the same
>about you and everquest and it would still get neither of us anywhere in this
>discussion.  :\
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>>And best of luck in your exams sockz...
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>thanks, immn :)
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