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From: rfp_the_ripper at hushmail.com (rfp_the_ripper@...hmail.com)
Subject: Of course you guys support full-disclosure

>It is pretty easy to say 'Oh that guy isn't a member -- he just wore a 
>t-shirt.' But, we all know where JimJones worked until he returned to 
>school (or whatever) and perception can be everything these days..... >so 
>standing on a stage wearing a t-shirt preaching the word of el8/PHC >makes 
>a pretty convincing argument doesn't it? 

It is pretty easy to have an account on nmrc.org, to release
an anti-Microsoft "information anarchy" FAQ, yet to share an 
account on the same machine as a Microsoft partner (Bindview 
employee Simple Nomad), isn't it? Yet nobody doubts your
integrity in loathing Microsoft...

>
>This was based on the assumption that various people who claim 
>to be
>PHC/el8/Project Mayhem are actually that.  Seeing how no one is
> willing to
>stand up and use their real names (no balls?) I have to base th

I know you're not that naive. After what they've done, why
would they loosely drop their real names? And should they,
what guarantee is there that you've even have heard of them?
Not all people are spotlight fuckers, so should the name
"Joe Blow" be dropped as an ~el8 member, it wouldn't satisfy
you anyway -- you'd consider the names fabricated. 

The ~el8 members list is mentioned in each ezine release. 
I don't see what your problem is.

>is on who I
>consider and who I have been told is part of this so called "mo
>vement".
>
>But, my overall assessment of who I think is in el8/PHC/Project
> Mayhem, is
>that a lot of them are not script kiddies.

A lot of who? Who are you referring to? And based on what?
The zine content?

>
>> I must also ask... if the security world has accomplished
>> so much in the last decade other than arming scriptkids and
>> cashing in on self-fulfilling prophecies, then why are the
>> hack logs of iss.net, securityfocus.com, bindview.com,
>> openwall.com, snort.org, and some individuals not worth
>> mentioning... awaiting publication in ~el8[4] ?
>
>Again, lets see them -- lets see the proof.  You are quick to c

What part of "awaiting publication" eludes you? And I get the
distinct impression that such logs would be refuted by someone
like you as inconclusive, anyway. 

>all me out
>and say that I am mearly pretending or misinformed (which I adm
>it I might
>be misinformed) yet all I have seen here is all kinds of FUD be
>ing created
>by the el8/PHC people.  And you say the security industry is ba
>d for FUD
>generation...............  :-)
>
>
>
>
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