full-disclosure - [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

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From: se_cur_ity at hotmail.com (morning_wood)
Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JT" <ptourvi1@...ny.rr.com>
To: "'Shawn McMahon'" <smcmahon@....com>; <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm


> This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2 vulnerabilities that
> are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my time search
ZA
> for one, it's in there, it's a proven statistic. Now, explain to me how
> having one of your uninformed users make a decision for every app that
wants
> to access the internet is better than plugging a router in and being done
> for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier because
they
> just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these "inept" users
> WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to FIND zone
alarm,
> INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything wants to hit
> the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT
> vulnerabilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Shawn McMahon
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:35:05PM -0700, morning_wood said:
> >
> > Theres nowhere for the packets to go.. and please, when was the last
time
> > anyone here had to flash a personal style router / switch
> > within the past 2 years... dont go esoteric on us now..
>
> Perhaps you should read security bulletins more often.
>
> http://www.idefense.com/advisory/10.31.02a.txt
> http://www.opennet.ru/base/netsoft/993631863_204.txt.html
>
> That's just two.  Should I spend another 30 seconds searching and get
> you some more?
>
> Or are you going to argue that Linksys and Netgear are "esoteric"?
>
>
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