From: ben at twowaytv.co.uk (Ben Tyson-Norrman)
Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

As I started this one - can I put a stop to it...

What was it I read the other day, if you call someone a Nazi then officially
that's the end of the thread...

Okay I'm going to call me, ben@...waytv.co.uk, erstwhile postee in html,
user of Windows 2000 (and BSD and Linux and Solaris, before you start),
sending email via Exchange which attaches a crappy disclaimer - a complete
and utter Nazi....

Yes I've done it - I've called someone a Nazi.... so now we have to start a
new thread and post at least 3 bits of useful information before we can
revert to abuse, slander, mis-reading of posts, mis-understanding of posts,
not trying to hear what the person is saying in voice- rather than just
reading the words and generally taking our stress out on everyone else (who
for the most parts should be our allies)..

What I've learnt is.... 
ZA is okay for homeusers - there are no desperately obvious holes.
There are other alternatives - I use one of the others at home (not that you
care) - but the person who asked the question of me (who is fairly
technical), is probably doing the best he can.
The negative comments I have seen, viz :- (snip from some or other list)
<<zone alarm (which contrary to popular belief is not a real firewall and a
joke in the IT community as a whole)>> is empty posturing as usual, but then
the same goes for everything else (there are a lot of "experts" out
there...)

May your evenings (days, morning or nights - depending on your timezone) be
blessed with happyness...

Personally I'm going home to get a beer or two....



-----Original Message-----
From: JT [mailto:ptourvi1@...ny.rr.com]
Sent: 05 June 2003 16:13
To: 'Shawn McMahon'; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm


This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2 
vulnerabilities that
are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my 
time search ZA
for one, it's in there, it's a proven statistic. Now, explain to me how
having one of your uninformed users make a decision for every 
app that wants
to access the internet is better than plugging a router in and 
being done
for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier 
because they
just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these 
"inept" users
WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to 
FIND zone alarm,
INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything 
wants to hit
the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT
vulnerabilities. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn McMahon
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:23 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm


On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:35:05PM -0700, morning_wood said:
> 
> Theres nowhere for the packets to go.. and please, when was 
the last time
> anyone here had to flash a personal style router / switch
> within the past 2 years... dont go esoteric on us now..

Perhaps you should read security bulletins more often.

http://www.idefense.com/advisory/10.31.02a.txt
http://www.opennet.ru/base/netsoft/993631863_204.txt.html

That's just two.  Should I spend another 30 seconds searching and get
you some more?

Or are you going to argue that Linksys and Netgear are "esoteric"?


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